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Obviously, you missed the fact that colonialism is a major reason why "many Third World countries have proven that they are incapable of governing themselves properly". These countries were economically exploited by the European and American nations that controlled them. Local rulers and government structures were destroyed, and most native peoples were not allowed to participate in government. In some places, European settlers displaced native peoples and turned the natives into a permanent underclass if they survived at all.
While I don't think that statement is true, although you can always find outliers, it's an excellent summation of the meme that is passed around in modern days.
It's funny how strong the cult of the destruction of the third world by Europe is. I wonder what the roots of it are.
Moslem countries would not want foreign troops on their soil, that's what started all this terrorism stuff in the first place and why it is still going on today. the Iraq wars, Afghanistan, Libya were all costly mistakes by the west, getting involved in the middle east(and other places) has caused lots of problems right up to the present day and the illegal immigrants trying to get into Europe through the back door.
I think they are saying they would be better off "ruled from London". What they are really saying is they would be better off if they could "suck London dry" through confiscatory redistribution while nominally under their "rule".
So the answer is no. We shouldn't bring back Colonialism. What we should do is provide a role model to them of what works best for advancing a civilization: Freedom, Individualism, and laissez-faire Capitalism. THAT is what they much teach themselves through observation and logic.
If they don't reform themselves properly after viewing the obvious lessons, they have chosen their future and should live, or die, accordingly.
many of those countries were made impoverished by imperialism. i doubt re-introducing that would benefit much.
maybe the countires should be rebuilt or paid restitution based on the language they are now forced to speak.
like haiti, congo, rwanda, ... speak french so france should be taxed to repay those countries.
(not really 3rd world): south africa, nigeria, jamaica, india, ... should be paid by england.
(not really 3rd world): domincan republic, mexico, el salvador, ... spain.
many of those countries were made impoverished by imperialism. i doubt re-introducing that would benefit much.
maybe the countires should be rebuilt or paid restitution based on the language they are now forced to speak.
like haiti, congo, rwanda, ... speak french so france should be taxed to repay those countries.
(not really 3rd world): south africa, nigeria, jamaica, india, ... should be paid by england.
(not really 3rd world): domincan republic, mexico, el salvador, ... spain.
These countries were impoverished long before colonialism. Slavery, hunger and squalor were their lot and is becoming it again. Rwanda and Congo were the bloodies place on Earth until overtaken by Nigeria, Syria and Iraq. Haiti, after two hundred years of self rule, is the crime capitol of the world and living standards are among the lowest anywhere. A hundred miles from America and it can't even figure out how to make itself rich through tourism! (Which the Dominican Republic is finally doing. And Cuba will do.)
The resentment and ingratitude of colonized peoples has long been known:
Take up the White Man's burden,
and reap his old reward.
The scorn or those ye better,
the hate of those ye guard.
The cry of those ye humor,
Ah! slowly toward the light.
"Why bring ye us from bondage,
our loved Egyptian night?"
It doesn't alter the fact that it was the colonial powers, especially the English, who brought these countries their first and only experiences with the rule of law, fair administration, and material progress. Even great civilizations, India for example, were beset by tyranny, banditry, and misrule until England took over. The prosperity and stability of Singapore are not native plants. Likewise, Indonesia is not flourishing because of its indigenous culture.
The only, best hope for virtually all North African and middle-eastern countries is for their former European rulers to reassert control over them, disarm them, and keep a close eye on them. Otherwise, the killing, violence and pillage that ruled them since time began will have its way with them forever.
many of those countries were made impoverished by imperialism. i doubt re-introducing that would benefit much.
maybe the countires should be rebuilt or paid restitution based on the language they are now forced to speak.
like haiti, congo, rwanda, ... speak french so france should be taxed to repay those countries.
(not really 3rd world): south africa, nigeria, jamaica, india, ... should be paid by england.
(not really 3rd world): domincan republic, mexico, el salvador, ... spain.
Or maybe it's the opposite. Maybe they should pay their Colonial rulers for giving them the chance to see what civilization should look like. Lessons they have ignored. Choosing instead to remain in the primordial ooze of prehistoric savagery. And make no mistake, it's a choice. The past is irrelevant. They could make a better choice. They could make a civilized choice. They could make a choice based on Reason and Logic. But they have instead, embraced ancient notions of mysticism, barbarism, and tyranny. And they are today where they were in prehistoric times. And if they do not choose Reason, they will stay where they are. Reality is immutable. It cannot be otherwise.
To answer the question, we need to decide if political independence for the 100 or so Third World basket cases of states is more important than stability, the environment, and the preservation of cultural heritage.
The UN's incompetence and fecklessness is so well documented as to disqualify it from a major role in any real solution.
If we really care about the environment for instance, and the controlling of the loss of habitat and poaching, then neocolonialism has to be on the table. indeed, it is debatable just to what extent neocolonialism exists here and now. Certainly large parts of the world are unable and unwilling to even feed themselves, check birth rates, exert control over their own territory, and generally behave as sovereign entities. As far as limited democracy or Republics are concerned, it was the great illusion of the Enlightenment, made manifest not least in the postlude to the Cold War, that the aspiration towards personal and political freedom is somehow universal. It is not, indeed it is unproven whether most non-Europeans even have such aspirations in general or can be trained to have such aspirations in any but small numbers.
Perhaps direct control of the governable areas of the Third World is the most humane solution, but it is de rigeur now in the West to assume that all peoples are somehow equal, and to suggest neocolonialism is necessary is effectively taboo (though at least in the financial sense we do have a form of it extant). We are artificially propping up Third World birthrates (through good intentions, no doubt), the spillover of which is in leaky boats northward bound in the Mediterranean and on inner tubes crossing the Rio Grande.
We in the end need more Rhodesias, and less Zimbabweis.
... Haiti, after two hundred years of self rule, is the crime capitol of the world and living standards are among the lowest anywhere. A hundred miles from America and it can't even figure out how to make itself rich through tourism....
this is reminding me of bioshock infinite. the us founding fathers (washington, jefferson, franklin) were very smart and well educated (franklin partially learned diplomacy and international law and politics in institutions in france). the haitian founding fathers (louverture, boukman) were just as smart but since they were slaves, their french masters forbidden them to educate themselves on concepts like military strategy and how to set up governments. that stuff is handed down thru generations.
the massai tribe is self-sufficient and i would think due to their location in the serengeti have never been overthrown by europeans or affected by slave trade. they dont have xboxes or 60'' plasma tv's but they are prosperous and happy. many of the countries named in this thread are about 40 years old and had to go to war or diplomacy to get independence. i think the hutu nation and the tunzi nation would be better off without french/belgium influence the same way that the navajo nation and the cherokee nation would be better off without english influence.
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Would you be cool with some stranger breaking into your home and announcing that he's been watching you, and is displeased with your lifestyle (one too many parking tickets, perhaps), so he's going to run your life from now on.
Would you submit and await instructions from this intruder on what you'll be doing, what you'll be wearing, how you'll be speaking, how you'll obey, how you'll raise your kids, etc?
Or would you (understandably) have a shotgun aimed at him in 3-2-1...?
So why on earth would you expect otherwise from entire countries? And what gives you the right to that kind of authority?
Italy should take over Libya, England should seize Egypt, and France, Algeria. Maybe Ottomans could be found to resume control of the Levant, Mesopotamia and Greece. Yemen, the Horn and other areas are less urgent.
This would be for the good of the people who live there and for the world. Ever since those people have run their own countries they've ruined them. That's their prerogative. But now the consequences of their folly are spreading to their neighbors, who have the right to remove the trouble at its source.
The late President of the Commonwealth of The Philippines, Manuel Quezon would have this to say:
"I would rather have a country run like hell by Filipinos than a country run like heaven by the Americans, because however bad a Filipino government might be, we can always change it."
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