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Old 03-04-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Addicts are known for moderating their own behavior.
If that sort of interpretable statement (wrongly btw) is the limit of the criticism...
then we may be on the way to some sensible policies on these substances.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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If that sort of interpretable statement (wrongly btw) is the limit of the criticism...
then we may be on the way to some sensible policies on these substances.
I just think crafting a policy based on what we think addicts (and dealers) will or won't do is like trying to herd cats.

Again, not that I think the present situation is any good.

What will all the drug dealers, big and small, do if drugs become freely available and cheap/free?

"Oh well, back to my day job at the window and door factory"??
"Well, time to retire my gang colors."??

Are we completely willing to assume any and all effects of allowing unfettered drug use, thinking that addicts will somehow now fall neatly into some semblance of order now that they don't have to be underground in their use and purchasing?

Again, not that I think the present situation is any good. But it's good to talk.
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Old 03-04-2014, 12:09 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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I just think crafting a policy based on what we think addicts (and dealers)
will or won't do is like trying to herd cats.
Agreed. Make policy based on what WE want them to do...
and (rather critically) what they are likely to actually comply with.

We want them to be seen by Doctors and source their dope through safe means
that don't put cash into the hands of criminals, terrorists and corrupt bankers.

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What will all the drug dealers, big and small, do if drugs become freely available and cheap/free?
Why do you insist on these absurd and really quite immaterial digressions?

You can rest assured though that they surely will find something else to do.
Heck... it might even be legal.

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Are we completely willing to assume any and all effects of allowing unfettered drug use...
Again with the hyperbole... Stop already.

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Again, not that I think the present situation is any good.
But it's good to talk.
Talk: Keep it simple and be truthful.

1) Don't confuse addictive synthesized compounds with natural state.
1a) Don't make laws that treat their use (or abuse) in the same way.

2) Focus on the Public Health and Mental Hygiene aspects of abuse
(regardless of the substance or activity) rather than to add a layer of criminality.

3) Put the actually qualified back in charge of the dangerous substances...
which is the idea behind (re) medicalization of the synthesized and pharmaceuticals.

4) Take the jackboot off the neck of the social, recreational and medicinal uses of
the naturally occurring agricultural products.

That really should do it.
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Old 03-04-2014, 12:20 PM
 
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Well the question was why not legalize all drugs, not just those from naturally occurring agricultural products.
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Old 03-04-2014, 12:53 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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Well the question was why not legalize all drugs,
not just those from naturally occurring agricultural products.
The OP's poorly phrased flail at a question?
That seemed to be addressed and parsed out rather well by post six.

Only those inclined to confuse, conflate or just be absurd discuss the matter as though the more
serious and objectively dangerous substances should be broadly available absent some sort of care
and treatment protocol run by actual Doctors and Pharmacists.

The rest, to somehow achieve that, is the tough detail.
The detail isn't served though by involving Cops or Courts or Jails.
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Old 03-09-2014, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Cape Coma Florida
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When you ask why not legalize ALL drugs I don't think you are considering ALL DRUGS. Consider Krokodill, or scopalamine. Both are pretty terrifying drugs. Krokodil was cooked up by Russian addicts when they could not get enough heroin or cheap enough heroin and includes in it's ingredients a brand of eye drops sold in Russia. It turns their skin scaly and rough, hence the name, and it destroys their organs. They die pretty quick from using it.

Then there is scopalamine, which is used to turn people into zombies who will readily give up their PIN numbers on their credit/debit cards, and even sign away their houses, or allow the one who slipped it to them to empty their house of all their worldly goods on the spot. All one has to do is slip it into their drink or blow a bit of the powder into their face and they go stupid right away. Easy pickings.
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Old 03-15-2014, 03:52 PM
 
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A society with no guard-rails will implode. I often hear the "war on drugs" is lost. If this is true, is the war on speeders lost too? Certainly there are people being ticketed and arrested everyday for speeding. What about the "war on child molesters". Not a day goes by that we don't read about a child molester being arrested. Should we give up on that war too?

It's all about what can a society put up with and still survive.
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Old 03-15-2014, 04:35 PM
 
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A society with no guard-rails will implode. I often hear the "war on drugs" is lost. If this is true, is the war on speeders lost too? Certainly there are people being ticketed and arrested everyday for speeding. What about the "war on child molesters". Not a day goes by that we don't read about a child molester being arrested. Should we give up on that war too?

It's all about what can a society put up with and still survive.
American society is sick which is why so many mind-altering substances are needed to keep its members pacified. A society centered upon wealth worship must be medicated.

As for the 'war on drugs'. Pfft! Perhaps if the purveyors of that 'war' didn't make bank off of it there would be no need for it.
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Old 03-15-2014, 07:06 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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A society with no guard-rails will implode.
A society with non-sensical guard rails won't do well either.

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I often hear the "war on drugs" is lost. If this is true...
It is.

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...is the war on speeders lost too?
What war on speeders?


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It's all about what can a society put up with and still survive.
Indeed.

Natural state substances are a good start.
Not criminalizing addicts certainly makes sense.
Getting profit out of the hands of criminals and terrorists should have broad appeal.

Did you have some actual point?
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Old 03-15-2014, 08:23 PM
 
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All drugs would be dangerous because certain ones are too addictive and would arguably make the state liable. Softer drugs that are no more addictive than alcohol to the typical adult would be fine, however. The age could be set at 21 like alcohol, and be sold in heavily armed gov institution that lock the stuff up in vault at night.

Alcohol being legal kills any and all argument weed or the other soft crap couldn't be. But stuff like oxy and crack, lol, keep that garbage in the fringes and viewed as junk. It would be okay to decriminilize it, but still make it illegal to deal though
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