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Numbers are by MSA. I'd expect Arlington, Alex, SS, Bethesda etc etc. to pick up the rest of that slack, in addition to the District. The most dense Census tract in metropolitan Washington is in Arlington, VA anyway. It would be interesting to see the 1,230,663 number of 10k+ ppsm juxtaposed with 2010 Census as well as 2000, to really understand the growth rates of the core. In fact it would be great to see someone pull the numbers from all of these cities, and where they were the last 10-20 years with population density above 10k ppsm metro wide. Then we have a comparison going on here.
I know, I was just pointing out areas that will be adding to this total from NOMA, Navy Yard, Union Market, Buzzard Point, and Northwest One that have tons of buildings under construction and others that are beginning lease up. Those five districts have the most construction in the region.
Baltimore's numbers are laughably low. Cities much smaller, and lower density have way higher amounts of people living at 30k pp/sm.
30k pp/sm is such a stupidly high metric that it holds almost zero relevance to anything baring NYC especially considering these metrics are using MSA (not city proper).
Baltimore has more raw people living in it at +10000k than Phoenix, Denver, Atlanta, MSP, Austin, Pittsburgh, Nashville, Detroit, St. Louis, Portland, Charlotte and about 10 other major cities I didn’t name so I don’t get where all the complaining is coming from? It still is and probably always will be, one of the most dense cities in the country whether by population or built environment.
Baltimore's numbers are laughably low. Cities much smaller, and lower density have way higher amounts of people living at 30k pp/sm.
I honestly don't get the bragging rights of density per mile. My city is more dense than yours, it's better? Especially when comparing an old and urban city like Baltimore, it's more dense than 90% of cities in this country, but of course it doesn't hold a flame to NYC. That cannot be your metric for everything.
Seriously though, what is with the density peter measuring?
I honestly don't get the bragging rights of density per mile. My city is more dense than yours, it's better? Especially when comparing an old and urban city like Baltimore, it's more dense than 90% of cities in this country, but of course it doesn't hold a flame to NYC. That cannot be your metric for everything.
Seriously though, what is with the density peter measuring?
I think were just bored because the census let us down and for whatever reason decided density was what they were gonna release first and focus on. I love demography and stuff like this and even I barely care, kinda boring.
I honestly don't get the bragging rights of density per mile. My city is more dense than yours, it's better? Especially when comparing an old and urban city like Baltimore, it's more dense than 90% of cities in this country, but of course it doesn't hold a flame to NYC. That cannot be your metric for everything.
Seriously though, what is with the density peter measuring?
My read is it's two things:
1. Just general city-nationalism. Density = the "big city" archetype = importance. People want their city to be important. You see this especially in people from Southwest cities (namely LA, Phoenix, Las Vegas) that have a lot of densely populated census tracts, but are still predominantly car-oriented and thus don't feel give you the classic "big city" experience on the ground. They don't want their cities to be overlooked in favor of the Northern legacy cities.
2. Signaling things about themselves for living in a "big city": tolerance/non-racism, worldliness, youth, non-conformity, left-wing politics, toughness/street-smarts (can handle grittiness and crime). This is more the opposite crowd, people from Chicago/DC/Boston/Philly/Seattle/Baltimore, which are all pretty close in density. People in this group of cities want to show that they truly embody these values, and don't live in a provincial, suburban "small city" that's behind the rest of the pack.
I'm more in group 2. Maybe I'm just projecting with all of this.
Clearly every city not named NYC can do better, and LA is building like crazy. Have you even been lately?
Is there a deadline?
Well, the gag is you claim to be impressed by Boston, Philly and DC while LA is somehow a huge disappointment, but they are really in the same tier as far as persons in the 30K+ density range, in fact, LA beats DC.
Los Angeles squeezes 14 million people into 2,200 sq miles. That's more impressive than anywhere else in the country. Not bad for the auto capital of the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...es_urban_areas
What's silly is how such an apparently 'silly' threshold is such a difficult task for so many places to achieve, no?
MSAs by Percentage of Population, 10,000+ Per Square Mile
58.0% New York: 11,694,534
50.0% Los Angeles: 6,611,283
43.6% San Francisco: 2,073,127
38.8% Honolulu: 395,854
36.0% San Jose: 720,560
29.3% Boston: 1,448,764
27.1% Chicago: 2,614,012
Only 7 1 Million+ Metro Areas achieve 25%+ of it's population in 10K+ density. Even worse, 4/7 are in California & Hawaii. What's up with that?
What gives with Philly, DC, Seattle, etc. It's 2021 after all.
25.3% Philadelphia: 1,580,169
24.7% San Diego: 816,530
22.7% Miami: 1,398,475
19.5% Las Vegas: 441,510
19.2% Washington: 1,230,663
17.9% Providence: 301,925
14.3% Milwaukee: 226,941
13.1% Baltimore: 375,152
13.1% Buffalo: 153,098
12.5% Seattle: 505,840
10.6% Denver: 315,809
7.3% Riverside: 339,111
7.4% New Orleans: 95,502
7.1% Hartford: 87,780
7.1% Phoenix: 328,143
7.1% Portland: 179,612
6.9% Houston: 495,906
6.5% Minneapolis: 241,894
6.3% Fresno: 64,225
6.2% Sacramento: 149,401
5.5% Rochester: 60,997
5.1% Dallas: 390,927
4.0% Columbus: 86,536
3.9% Pittsburgh: 94,694
3.7% Cleveland: 78,607
3.7% Salt Lake City: 47,020
3.3% Austin: 76,408
3.0% Richmond: 40,379
2.8% Detroit: 126,508
2.5% Orlando: 67,832
2.4% Atlanta: 150,542
2.0% Cincinnati: 46,615
1.8% St. Louis: 53,286
1.3% Tampa Bay: 43,634
1.2% San Antonio: 33,299
0.7% Charlotte: 21,929
Orlando has a higher percentage of density than Atlanta?
Austin has a higher percentage of density than St. Louis?
Las Vegas ranks higher than DC?
My Density meter is way off when visiting these cities.
2. Signaling things about themselves for living in a "big city": tolerance/non-racism, worldliness, youth, non-conformity, left-wing politics, toughness/street-smarts (can handle grittiness and crime). This is more the opposite crowd, people from Chicago/DC/Boston/Philly/Seattle/Baltimore, which are all pretty close in density. People in this group of cities want to show that they truly embody these values, and don't live in a provincial, suburban "small city" that's behind the rest of the pack.
I'm more in group 2. Maybe I'm just projecting with all of this.
People in big cities are not more tolerant or non racist. I know many people who live in small cities or rural areas that are well educated. I've encountered more racism in my experience in big cities generally speaking liberal areas.
I am a city person who loves big city living and wouldn't have it any other way. I don't think that makes me more sophisticated than my friends in rural Tennessee.
This is a very sensitive issue because so many people in big cities think they are better than people in small town America.
2020 Weighted population density for MSAs over 1 million:
New York: 33,787.5
San Francisco....13,267.8
Honolulu....12,581.9
Los Angeles....12,169.4
San Jose....9,075.9
Chicago....9,011.9
Boston....8,987.9
Miami....8,489.2
Philadelphia....8,258.5
San Diego....7,381.9
Washington....7,296.1
Las Vegas....7,031.7
Seattle....6,146.3
Denver....5,418.0
Providence....5,204.6
Baltimore....5,144.7
Salt Lake City....5,070.9
Portland....5,058.8
Milwaukee....5,023.7
Sacramento....5,002.7
Phoenix....4,807.7
Riverside....4,636.9
Houston....4,606.4
New Orleans....4,577.0
Fresno....4,518.4
Buffalo....4,348.8
Dallas....4,274.7
Detroit....3,906.9
Minneapolis....3,784.4
Cleveland....3,676.9
Tampa Bay....3,616.6
Columbus....3,605.8
Virginia Beach....3,580.8
Austin....3,565.3
San Antonio....3,424.0
Tucson....3,285.2
Orlando....3,275.7
Hartford....3,195.3
Pittsburgh....2,970.0
Rochester....2,948.2
St. Louis....2,738.0
Atlanta....2,686.4
Louisville....2,686.3
Cincinnati....2,658.2
Oklahoma City....2,647.3
Richmond....2,590.4
Kansas City....2,561.4
Indianapolis....2,457.3
Jacksonville....2,431.3
Grand Rapids....2,413.3
Memphis....2,339.4
Tulsa....2,167.3
Raleigh....2,166.8
Charlotte....1,996.1
Nashville....1,943.3
Birmingham....1,402.6
2020 Weighted population density for MSAs over 1 million:
New York: 33,787.5
San Francisco....13,267.8
Honolulu....12,581.9
Los Angeles....12,169.4
San Jose....9,075.9
Chicago....9,011.9
Boston....8,987.9
Miami....8,489.2
Philadelphia....8,258.5
San Diego....7,381.9
Washington....7,296.1
Las Vegas....7,031.7
Seattle....6,146.3
Denver....5,418.0
Providence....5,204.6
Baltimore....5,144.7
Salt Lake City....5,070.9
Portland....5,058.8
Milwaukee....5,023.7
Sacramento....5,002.7
Phoenix....4,807.7
Riverside....4,636.9
Houston....4,606.4
New Orleans....4,577.0
Fresno....4,518.4
Buffalo....4,348.8
Dallas....4,274.7
Detroit....3,906.9
Minneapolis....3,784.4
Cleveland....3,676.9
Tampa Bay....3,616.6
Columbus....3,605.8
Virginia Beach....3,580.8
Austin....3,565.3
San Antonio....3,424.0
Tucson....3,285.2
Orlando....3,275.7
Hartford....3,195.3
Pittsburgh....2,970.0
Rochester....2,948.2
St. Louis....2,738.0
Atlanta....2,686.4
Louisville....2,686.3
Cincinnati....2,658.2
Oklahoma City....2,647.3
Richmond....2,590.4
Kansas City....2,561.4
Indianapolis....2,457.3
Jacksonville....2,431.3
Grand Rapids....2,413.3
Memphis....2,339.4
Tulsa....2,167.3
Raleigh....2,166.8
Charlotte....1,996.1
Nashville....1,943.3
Birmingham....1,402.6
The lack of rural population in the west really shows up on this list. Where even cities with pretty low peak densities like Phoenix and Sacramento (or even Portland) have high weighted densities
Orlando has a higher percentage of density than Atlanta?
Austin has a higher percentage of density than St. Louis?
Las Vegas ranks higher than DC?
My Density meter is way off when visiting these cities.
Austin has > 50k students and the vast majority of them live in areas well above 10k psqm. However, there aren't many other neighborhoods above that level. So 70-80k overall feels about right.
I am surprised St. Louis wouldn't have more, but then again 10k psqm is definitely quite dense, big city living. St. Louis doesn't have many people in the city limits at this point.
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