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Old 05-03-2012, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Maryland has a good bit of transplanted Blacks in the DC suburbs in particular.
They do but the vast majority of Blacks in PG County are native to the the metropolitan area. In fact, many of the transplant Blacks are either headed to DC itself or NOVA over PG.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:27 PM
 
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They do but the vast majority of Blacks in PG County are native to the the metropolitan area. In fact, many of the transplant Blacks are either headed to DC itself or NOVA over PG.
Most of the Blacks I know personally who live in the DC area are split between the District itself and the Maryland suburbs. A few are in NOVA, but not many.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:42 PM
 
Location: South Central Nebraska
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No offense, but this philosophy of thinking is very annoying and simply not true. Maryland has more money because of being heavily influenced by the nation's capital and enjoying the fruits of the country's industrial revolution that bypassed most of the South. It doesn't have anything to do with union vs. non-union. That is the biggest hollow pipe dream line of thinking that liberals fall for. Unions didn't build this country nor are they the catalyst for vibrant economies. They benefit from vibrant economies, they didn't create them. No offense to you, but I'm getting a little tired of the arrogant attitude of pro union people that think they are responsible for creating jobs and wealth while they look down their noses at non-union people and states that prefers to believe in hard work and realizes that the corporations that pro union people find so evil and repulsive are the ones that actually provide jobs that improve quality of life. If anything, unions are dinosaurs of a bygone era that and now do more harm than good. That's one reason the Midwest (and the Detroit big 3) have been decimated in the last several years by foreign automakers. Pro-union states simply don't get it and that's a major reason why Ford, GM, etc have struggled because the pro union factories can't adapt, compete, and be competitive.

Sorry to be snappy but it's a sore subject here in the South. The big unions are trying their best to unionize all the foreign auto plants in the South and trying to ruin what we have here so we can be just as miserable as the auto industry in the Midwest. They are bound and determined to do it year after year despite constantly being voted down yet they just keep coming.
205 do you know if they have tried to unionize the VW Plant in Chattanooga? VW had a failed plant in Westmoreland, PA in the 80s that they had to shut down because the unions pushed them to the point that they had to outsource the jobs overseas. Now thankfully Volkswagen has come back to the US with its TN assembly plant. They are building the awesome and very competitively priced Passat for what it has to offer. Hopefully there will be more growth in industries like American-based suppliers surrounding these plants so the parts don't have to be shipped from China and elsewhere. The right-to-work states are going to be at a huge advantage. I would also like the textile and furniture industries to come back and from a bathroom rug I bought the other day at Walmart that said Made in USA I was shocked I think some of the plants are indeed coming back!
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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Most of the Blacks I know personally who live in the DC area are split between the District itself and the Maryland suburbs. A few are in NOVA, but not many.
Exactly. That's why I made that point that many if the newer transplants choose NOVA if they cant get into DC.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:59 PM
 
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Holy crap @ this thread. Flame baiting anyone?
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Old 05-04-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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No offense, but this philosophy of thinking is very annoying and simply not true. Maryland has more money because of being heavily influenced by the nation's capital and enjoying the fruits of the country's industrial revolution that bypassed most of the South. It doesn't have anything to do with union vs. non-union. That is the biggest hollow pipe dream line of thinking that liberals fall for. Unions didn't build this country nor are they the catalyst for vibrant economies. They benefit from vibrant economies, they didn't create them. No offense to you, but I'm getting a little tired of the arrogant attitude of pro union people that think they are responsible for creating jobs and wealth while they look down their noses at non-union people and states that prefers to believe in hard work and realizes that the corporations that pro union people find so evil and repulsive are the ones that actually provide jobs that improve quality of life. If anything, unions are dinosaurs of a bygone era that and now do more harm than good. That's one reason the Midwest (and the Detroit big 3) have been decimated in the last several years by foreign automakers. Pro-union states simply don't get it and that's a major reason why Ford, GM, etc have struggled because the pro union factories can't adapt, compete, and be competitive.

Sorry to be snappy but it's a sore subject here in the South. The big unions are trying their best to unionize all the foreign auto plants in the South and trying to ruin what we have here so we can be just as miserable as the auto industry in the Midwest. They are bound and determined to do it year after year despite constantly being voted down yet they just keep coming.
Maryland isn't rich because of unions. But the unions do keep wages for working people higher than in right to work states and they also protect the worker from corporations just sh*tting on them. Are some unions corrupt? Yes! But you cannot generalize every union in the US based on the auto industry. Unions are responsible for keeping wages consistent with COL, implementing on the job safety initiatives, adding benefits, etc....Most corporations don't give two sh*ts about its employees. Unions make them accountable. Just look at the PR nightmare companies like Wal-Mart are having because they are anti-union. Most cities in the Northeast DO NOT want a Wal-Mart in their city limits. There is a reason why they aren't wanted or looked upon favorably. Getting back to right to work states. Most of the people living in these places are below the poverty level. It's pathetic. I lived in LA for years, and I have seen first hand what this does to whole communities. LA is not on MD level in any metrics. There is a direct connection why poor a$$ right to work states rank dead last in per capita income, education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc...
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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What I have notice for the past few years it seems most Afrian American in Louisana are poor, while those in Maryland seems tob e very well educated and affluent.
If they work for the federal government, they are working in a headquarters operation and make more money.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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Most of the people living in these places are below the poverty level.
This is a pretty big exaggeration.

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There is a direct connection why poor a$$ right to work states rank dead last in per capita income, education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc...
That doesn't have a whole lot to do with unionization itself.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:34 PM
 
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Maryland isn't rich because of unions. But the unions do keep wages for working people higher than in right to work states and they also protect the worker from corporations just sh*tting on them. Are some unions corrupt? Yes! But you cannot generalize every union in the US based on the auto industry. Unions are responsible for keeping wages consistent with COL, implementing on the job safety initiatives, adding benefits, etc....Most corporations don't give two sh*ts about its employees. Unions make them accountable. Just look at the PR nightmare companies like Wal-Mart are having because they are anti-union. Most cities in the Northeast DO NOT want a Wal-Mart in their city limits. There is a reason why they aren't wanted or looked upon favorably. Getting back to right to work states. Most of the people living in these places are below the poverty level. It's pathetic. I lived in LA for years, and I have seen first hand what this does to whole communities. LA is not on MD level in any metrics. There is a direct connection why poor a$$ right to work states rank dead last in per capita income, education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc...
"Texas has held on to its position as the best state in which to do business for the eighth consecutive year, with California remaining anchored at the bottom of the chart, according to a new survey by Chief Executive magazine...Chief Executive praised Texas Gov. Rick Perry, saying that between June 2009 and July 2011, the number of jobs in the state increased by 328,000, 47 percent of the total job creation in the country."

Florida is nipping at the heels of Texas followed by North Carolina, Tennessee and Indiana. Louisiana moved up 14 points and gets the Most Improved honors.

What does the magazine say is among the most attractive assets a state can have?

Right to work legislation. Guess which state cracked the Top 20 this year for the first time?

Wisconsin.

Worst states to do business:

California
New York
Illinois
Massachusetts
Michigan

"California’s enduring place of perpetual decline continues in this year’s ranking. Once the most attractive business environment, the Golden State appears to slip deeper into the ninth circle of business hell. The economy, which used to outperform the rest of the country, now substantially underperforms. And its status as the most ruinously contentious place to operate remains undisturbed in eight years. Its unemployment rate, at 10.9 percent, is higher than every other state except Nevada and Rhode Island. With 12 percent of America’s population, California has one-third of the nation’s welfare recipients. Each year, the evidence that businesses are leaving California or avoid locating there because of the high cost of doing business due to excessive state taxes and stringent regulations, grows. (See “Eastward Ho!”) According to Spectrum Locations Consultants, 254 California companies moved some or all of their work and jobs out of state in 2011, an increase of 26 percent over the previous year and five times as many as in 2009."

Another Triumph for Texas: Best/Worst States for Business 2012 | ChiefExecutive.net | Chief Executive Magazine
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:44 PM
 
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"Texas has held on to its position as the best state in which to do business for the eighth consecutive year, with California remaining anchored at the bottom of the chart, according to a new survey by Chief Executive magazine...Chief Executive praised Texas Gov. Rick Perry, saying that between June 2009 and July 2011, the number of jobs in the state increased by 328,000, 47 percent of the total job creation in the country."

Florida is nipping at the heels of Texas followed by North Carolina, Tennessee and Indiana. Louisiana moved up 14 points and gets the Most Improved honors.

What does the magazine say is among the most attractive assets a state can have?

Right to work legislation. Guess which state cracked the Top 20 this year for the first time?

Wisconsin.

Worst states to do business:

California
New York
Illinois
Massachusetts
Michigan

"California’s enduring place of perpetual decline continues in this year’s ranking. Once the most attractive business environment, the Golden State appears to slip deeper into the ninth circle of business hell. The economy, which used to outperform the rest of the country, now substantially underperforms. And its status as the most ruinously contentious place to operate remains undisturbed in eight years. Its unemployment rate, at 10.9 percent, is higher than every other state except Nevada and Rhode Island. With 12 percent of America’s population, California has one-third of the nation’s welfare recipients. Each year, the evidence that businesses are leaving California or avoid locating there because of the high cost of doing business due to excessive state taxes and stringent regulations, grows. (See “Eastward Ho!”) According to Spectrum Locations Consultants, 254 California companies moved some or all of their work and jobs out of state in 2011, an increase of 26 percent over the previous year and five times as many as in 2009."

Another Triumph for Texas: Best/Worst States for Business 2012 | ChiefExecutive.net | Chief Executive Magazine

Your list corroborates everything I am saying. The states that are deemed "Best Places to Work" are states where per capita income is low. These states usually rank in the bottom 15 of poorest states. The states where unions have a say are typically places that big corporations hate to play in because they demand accountability and have to meet certain standards that they states set in order to do business. Texas is a shinning example of where working class people make low wages but the corporations are estatic to be there. New York is the polar opposite. Corporations have to pay top wages, offer benefits and healthcare to do business in NY. California is its own country, so it doesn't count. Did deeper and you will uncover that there is a big income gap disparity in places like Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi, Alabama and Arkansas compared to Maryland, Connecticut, New York and Massachussetts. Income, education and healthcare, etc... are much better in the latter. Right to work really means...the right to pay you anything they want and get rid of you anytime they want for nothing at all. That's why I am blessed I don't have to live and work in these god forsaken places.

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