[Travelassie]

Originally Posted by Poseidon3290

Seems to me all you need is a rental contract under requirements.. do you see something different?

I have to find that article again, but generally documents satisfying residency requirements would include
driver's licenses, utility bills in the person's name, voter's registrations, all showing the person's current address. If the person is renting short term, by the month ( as some seasonal visitors might), there might be a short term contract, but as I see it this would only indicate the person is staying there for a short time, not really a resident.



Whether or not this type of short term contract satisfies a "residency requirement" for the purposes of a covid vaccine, would be something that needs to be cleared up by those making the "residency requirement" rules. Kind of makes me glad I don't have to make that decision.

[Poseidon3290]

So DeSantis says he doesn't need help...and that he needs more vaccine, but when the facts come out....it bites him in the behind. What is his deal? Why would he NOT want help rolling it out faster.

https://www.wesh.com/article/florida...ntis/35312720#

“I will note because we’re data first, facts first here, they’ve only distributed about 50% of the vaccines that they have been given in Florida,”

Note that many people have gotten their second doses in health care, so no, it's not that 50% of people got their first and now 50% are waiting a couple weeks for their second.

[Poseidon3290]

Originally Posted by SpaceB

Is this all you do is think about and complain about the governor on the internet all day? Wow.

Weird, I watched a news story and came here to show that yes, indeed, Desantis vaccine priority is as screwed up as he is.

One post, about this topic, in days.

Somehow that equates to complaining "all day" about him?

How about you stop being an apologist and give credit where credit is due, both positive and negative.

DeSantis deserves every criticism he gets.

[cfenn006]

He is now complaining about the Federal Government is not helping Florida enough with supply of the vaccine now. The reality is Florida has received the 3rd most number of vaccines of any state, behind California and Texas... the two other states impacted heavier than Florida. Again playing politics with a global pandemic.



Of what has been delivered to the state, Florida has only administered half of what is supplied. His one excuse was the other half is for the 2nd round, but that makes no sense because his other excuse was he also claims that there is less supply because the reporting was not accurate. So once again there is severe reporting deception from the state either deliberate or as the result of incompetence. Eitherway there is no excuse for it



https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...inistered.html

[Jim1921]

Originally Posted by Poseidon3290

So DeSantis says he doesn't need help...and that he needs more vaccine, but when the facts come out....it bites him in the behind. What is his deal? Why would he NOT want help rolling it out faster.

https://www.wesh.com/article/florida...ntis/35312720#

“I will note because we’re data first, facts first here, they’ve only distributed about 50% of the vaccines that they have been given in Florida,”

Note that many people have gotten their second doses in health care, so no, it's not that 50% of people got their first and now 50% are waiting a couple weeks for their second.

Wrong. Most people have not had the second dose. You have to wait about a month between doses. If you go back and look at the shipments, only small numbers were available during December. Simple math shows that the percentage of 2 doses are still small at this time. The guidance was given to hold the supply for the second dose as additional shipments were targets, but not guaranteed. Some states have decided to take the risk and use up more inventory at the risk they fall short for round 2. What if we see more delays? Did you see that there were issues with one of the batches from Moderna, so they held up using more from that lot? Efficacy is only a bit over 50% with the first dose. What we don’t know is if there are delays in getting the second dose, will the second dose be defective or will the patient need to get yet another dose at another interval.

[Jim1921]

Originally Posted by cfenn006

He is now complaining about the Federal Government is not helping Florida enough with supply of the vaccine now. The reality is Florida has received the 3rd most number of vaccines of any state, behind California and Texas... the two other states impacted heavier than Florida. Again playing politics with a global pandemic.



Of what has been delivered to the state, Florida has only administered half of what is supplied. His one excuse was the other half is for the 2nd round, but that makes no sense because his other excuse was he also claims that there is less supply because the reporting was not accurate. So once again there is severe reporting deception from the state either deliberate or as the result of incompetence. Eitherway there is no excuse for it



https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...inistered.html

The amount supplied to each state is based on population. Florida is the 3rd largest state, so it gets the 3rd largest supply. In short, supply is relatively even on a per capita basis.

Your other point has also been answered.

[cfenn006]

Originally Posted by Jim1921

Wrong. Most people have not had the second dose. You have to wait about a month between doses. If you go back and look at the shipments, only small numbers were available during December. Simple math shows that the percentage of 2 doses are still small at this time. The guidance was given to hold the supply for the second dose as additional shipments were targets, but not guaranteed. Some states have decided to take the risk and use up more inventory at the risk they fall short for round 2. What if we see more delays? Did you see that there were issues with one of the batches from Moderna, so they held up using more from that lot? Efficacy is only a bit over 50% with the first dose. What we don’t know is if there are delays in getting the second dose, will the second dose be defective or will the patient need to get yet another dose at another interval.

The first dose provides immunity, the 2nd dose is to ensure lasting effects. Officially it is recommended to have it 2 weeks after the first dose, not a month, it's also been stated in the medical community one month after is fine, some also believe a 2nd dose longer than a month is fine, some even say isnt completely necessary. There is also strong belief held that if someone had it they are immune.



The reason for all chaos is because nothing is 100% instantly verifiable and ths economic pressure has led l lawmakers to act irrationally and the medical community's time consuming scientific approach isnt acceptable.

[Jim1921]

Originally Posted by cfenn006

The first dose provides immunity, the 2nd dose is to ensure lasting effects. Officially it is recommended to have it 2 weeks after the first dose, not a month, it's also been stated in the medical community one month after is fine, some also believe a 2nd dose longer than a month is fine, some even say isnt completely necessary. There is also strong belief held that if someone had it they are immune.



The reason for all chaos is because nothing is 100% instantly verifiable and ths economic pressure has led l lawmakers to act irrationally and the medical community's time consuming scientific approach isnt acceptable.

Wrong again. The efficacy is only a bit over 50% with the first does. If it provided reliable immunity, there would be no need for the second dose. We have already seen cases of COVID infections after the patient has had the first dose. The Pfizer vaccine second dose recommendation is 3 weeks after the first. The Moderna vaccine has a recommended interval of 4 weeks. We do not have clinical data of different dosing regimens as the interval is always controlled during the clinical trial. Other intervals at this time are just speculation and not based on clinical outcomes. The J&J vaccine is likely to be just a one dose vaccine. However, when they saw the data from the other programs, they also started a trial with 2 doses as a backup plan.

Getting back to the supply issues, Florida has only received enough vaccines to address 6.6% of the population. The Governor is 100% correct in asking for more supply. The fastest way to address the population is to get this distributed to every pharmacy and clinic in the state. Given the supply to date, it is obvious why it is only available in a limited number of locations. Supply is the primary issue right now and will be for the next couple months. After that, the challenge will be to convince all the hold-outs to get their vaccination in an attempt to gain herd immunity.

[Jim1921]

One other point to note is that there is no data to suggest that the 2 current vaccines are interchangeable. If the first does is a Moderna vaccine, your second dose should be from Moderna. This is why many states have held onto the inventory for the second dose.

[cfenn006]

Originally Posted by Jim1921

Wrong again. The efficacy is only a bit over 50% with the first does. If it provided reliable immunity, there would be no need for the second dose. We have already seen cases of COVID infections after the patient has had the first dose. The Pfizer vaccine second dose recommendation is 3 weeks after the first. The Moderna vaccine has a recommended interval of 4 weeks. We do not have clinical data of different dosing regimens as the interval is always controlled during the clinical trial. Other intervals at this time are just speculation and not based on clinical outcomes. The J&J vaccine is likely to be just a one dose vaccine. However, when they saw the data from the other programs, they also started a trial with 2 doses as a backup plan.

Getting back to the supply issues, Florida has only received enough vaccines to address 6.6% of the population. The Governor is 100% correct in asking for more supply. The fastest way to address the population is to get this distributed to every pharmacy and clinic in the state. Given the supply to date, it is obvious why it is only available in a limited number of locations. Supply is the primary issue right now and will be for the next couple months. After that, the challenge will be to convince all the hold-outs to get their vaccination in an attempt to gain herd immunity.

Completely False.
Otherwise there would be no scheduling for 2 week doses. Like they are doing right now in many places Clinical Trials were rushed with and are not completely verifiable like other vaccines in the past. That is why there are many conflicting reports and studies. The main goal was patient safety during the process with most CT restrictions and protocol being lifted. They are trying to go the most conservative route, which isnt feasible considering the short supply.



The Govenor can ask all he wants, his state received the 3rd most amount of any state. He wants to prioritize his state over the rest of the country during a global supply shortage, when he made no effort to follow reccomended guidelines from the healthcare community that lead to the spread to this level, he is out of line by doing so.