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Right or wrong, the point is that the women are responding by going to do things that make them more attractive. Whether it’s to meet society’s expectations or to increase their chances of finding a better mate. In both cases they are doing it for themselves to reap the benefits of acceptance or a better mate. Both are beneficial to the women in the end.
They could just say I’m not going to do it at all, I’m just going to be myself, but they will have to accept the consequences of being less attractive.
The people who say women don’t do cosmetic surgery for others but for themselves are looking past the fact that if they didn’t care what others thought, why do it at all? it would put them at a disadvantage in society so in claiming it’s for themselves it really is doing it for themselves by making them feel better about where they are in society and socially.
If someone is fat, losing weight could be for themselves and for others. It’s healthier for themselves but also doing it to please others by looking better.
I was responding to your question, "What causes the pressure to look better"? What do YOU think causes that? Your ramble here loses sight of your own question.
I am glad that folks with your stereotype mindset are somewhat limited in numbers.
Yes. Women marry down, too. Or what's regarded as "down" by stereotypical metrics. To them, they're just getting a great guy who treats them well, cares about them, and shares their values.
Omg. You are clueless. Just because you think that that is how reality should be according to you doesn’t mean that is how the rest of the world is.
Plenty of smart and successful men marry trophy wives. Instead of imagining what men like, you really should ask them what they like and get the real answers. Yep a lot of men I know say they were really attracted to a women because they wear stylish clothing. Most men don’t give a rip on what a women wears as long as its presentable.
Showing off what you look like with make up. Now that’s funny. If anything make up hides what you look like. It’s basically a lie.
Yeah I know. Now you going to say that’s old fashioned again. Your favorite expression to put something down.
That's actually not true of a lot of men. Probably most men. Men may not be aware, that they're reacting to how a woman's choice of color and style present them to their best advantage (though actually, many men are aware of that, and some are vocal about it), but they do react to a woman's clothing choice. Similarly, there are men out there, who say they prefer women, who don't wear makeup, but as long as it's not overdone, they react positively to it.
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Just because you think that that is how reality should be according to you doesn’t mean that is how the rest of the world is.
Plenty of smart and successful men marry trophy wives. Instead of imagining what men like, you really should ask them what they like and get the real answers.
Reality tho...any man who would marry us for our boobs or body isn’t worth marrying. Getting plastic surgery over a degree because it’s more economical....is just stupid. Who does that? I totally question why you would argue that. You’re talking about women like we are objects...or “trophies”...it’s 2021.
I’ve dated successful & smart men..AND, I’m engaged to one. He dated lots of super attractive women before me & he never married one of them. Most men are smart enough to know marrying for boob size or anything physical is stupid & won’t last. It’s common sense....for anybody that knows anything about relationships.
Ita tho...our looks are what they see first. But it’s not why they marry IMO.
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Most men don’t give a rip on what a women wears as long as its presentable.
Ita...I wear what I want to wear because I love fashion. BUT...you go against your own fight about “trophy wives” if you think men don’t look when we wear a stylish bodycon dress. IMO..they care & they look...but there is way more to marriage than that ofc.
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Isn't it human nature for men to pay more attention to women's looks vs our education due to things like childbearing,for example?
Lots of men don’t want children tho...& that’s no reason to think that plastic surgery is more economical than a degree.
I know the question may seem silly to some,but I was told the same thing.
Getting my And hasn't made me any happier than I thought it would.
I thought guys liked a woman who was pursuing an education,but I was wrong.
All on these forums,the men actually said they don't care about a womans educational achievement,how much money she makes,if she ain't attractive,she ain't attractive and having those things won't make her more of a viable mate.
There was a thread on here that someone asked a question: would you take woman A,who makes six figures,highly traveled,has great conversation,a sense of humor,a Phd from Harvard. but is not attractive.
Or
Woman B,who is attractive,unemployed,lives with Mommy and Daddy,and is shy.
Most of the men picked B.(the thread had the pics of the women on there).
Who cares what "most men" think? Do you want most men, or do you want the right man? Which woman would YOU rather be?
Who cares what "most men" think? Do you want most men, or do you want the right man? Which woman would YOU rather be?
And why would a woman's choice to get a degree have anything to do with what men think of it (or her)? I got my education so that I could get the kind of job and career I wanted to be able to support myself as a functioning adult human. What random men would think about my choices never factored into it.
I know the question may seem silly to some,but I was told the same thing.
Getting my And hasn't made me any happier than I thought it would.
I thought guys liked a woman who was pursuing an education,but I was wrong.
All on these forums,the men actually said they don't care about a womans educational achievement,how much money she makes,if she ain't attractive,she ain't attractive and having those things won't make her more of a viable mate.
There was a thread on here that someone asked a question: would you take woman A,who makes six figures,highly traveled,has great conversation,a sense of humor,a Phd from Harvard. but is not attractive.
Or
Woman B,who is attractive,unemployed,lives with Mommy and Daddy,and is shy.
Most of the men picked B.(the thread had the pics of the women on there).
Its true that if my wife wasn't attractive, I would have never made the effort to court her in the first place. But it is also true if she was uneducated the same would apply. However her lack of career achievement meant nothing at all since I had plenty of earning potential for both of us. An educated good looking mate is probably the most desirable for both sexes. Currently earning a good income or job prospects for the younger set is attractive to more women than men (just facts).
We're all different though... I know plenty of guys who went for choice "A" and are happily married. It takes a shallow/uneducated/unambitious man to go for B over A. This goes both ways btw.
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Reality tho...any man who would marry us for our boobs or body isn’t worth marrying. Getting plastic surgery over a degree because it’s more economical....is just stupid. Who does that? I totally question why you would argue that. You’re talking about women like we are objects...or “trophies”...it’s 2021.
I’ve dated successful & smart men..AND, I’m engaged to one. He dated lots of super attractive women before me & he never married one of them. Most men are smart enough to know marrying for boob size or anything physical is stupid & won’t last. It’s common sense....for anybody that knows anything about relationships.
Ita tho...our looks are what they see first. But it’s not why they marry IMO.
Ita...I wear what I want to wear because I love fashion. BUT...you go against your own fight about “trophy wives” if you think men don’t look when we wear a stylish bodycon dress. IMO..they care & they look...but there is way more to marriage than that ofc.
Lots of men don’t want children tho...& that’s no reason to think that plastic surgery is more economical than a degree.
Again your ideas are mostly from a women’s point of view of how she thinks it should be.
Truth is men may not admit it to a woman for fear of being chastised for thinking a certain way.
If you ask a male coworker what he thinks, do you think he will tell you what he honestly feels or tell you what he thinks you want to hear so he doesn’t get in trouble.
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Again your ideas are mostly from a women’s point of view of how she thinks it should be.
Truth is men may not admit it to a woman for fear of being chastised for thinking a certain way.
If you ask a male coworker what he thinks, do you think he will tell you what he honestly feels or tell you what he thinks you want to hear so he doesn’t get in trouble.
I’m not saying that men aren’t attracted to boobs tho....I’m saying that they don’t marry us for our boobs. So...it’s still more “economical” to get our degrees & career, then we can do what we want to do.
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You’re talking about women like we are objects...or “trophies”...it’s 2021.
I’m not saying that men aren’t attracted to boobs tho....I’m saying that they don’t marry us for our boobs. So...it’s still more “economical” to get our degrees & career, then we can do what we want to do.
