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Old 01-26-2020, 10:56 PM
 
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Here they come, piling in with their thinly veiled anti western posts. I really appreciate all Putin has contributed to the world since he launched his counter revolution in 2014, he's going to avenge the death of the Ussr isn't he?

"Western" can mean a lot of things DKM.
Some of them are good and some of them are bad.

( Same as with Soviet system actually...)


P.S. I don't think Putin is going to "avenge the death of the USSR" either, since he personally profited on it.
It's all your thinly veiled ( and may be not all that thinly) hatred of Russia.
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:06 AM
 
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Bulgaria has very little oil and gas reserves of its own. I think their best position is as a Black Sea resort, the Turkish Stream gas pipeline, and as a gateway for the overland route between Western Europe and CHina.

Just remove the turkish-stream thing and I agree...there are many other steps to improve the country without relying on external salvation:



adopting the euro, easing of financial regulations, better balanced budget etc.
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Old 01-27-2020, 02:01 AM
 
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That's not "Bulgaria" Euro - that's one of the main streets of Sofia, the capital city you know...

And even that one was named after some Russian general from Imperial times, ( go figure ,) so try harder to see what BULGARIA really used to be before the WWII.

yeah one of the streets with russian name that must be ranamed - example: one of the major streets was called "blvd Lenin" it's now "Tsarigrad street" - funny how no one complained about Tsarigrad though - you'd think Turkey should but it didn't - only russia complains when bulgaria "Vandalizes" russian monuments who btw shouldn't be "Vandailized" but removed.


edit: And sofia is also bulgaria, that's hilarious way to reject facts, I only find pictures of it since photography wasn't that common century ago.
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Old 01-27-2020, 07:08 AM
 
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So the IMF screws them over? You think foreign investors be a good thing. But it seems like they just siphoning off wealth.

Because it's the imf - useless organization, not everything foreign is good and looking to help someone. Also, guess from which country the head of imf is? Which confirms again that bulgarians living abroad are also useless lol.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:21 PM
 
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I think that Bill Browder described it rather well in his book.
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Here they come, piling in with their thinly veiled anti western posts. I really appreciate all Putin has contributed to the world since he launched his counter revolution in 2014, he's going to avenge the death of the Ussr isn't he?
LOL, I find this ironic

Bill Browder, a capitalist, in the above post has been vehemently anti-Putin/russian for obvious reason. His dad was a communist. Cannot be more anti-western than that. Both father and son can agree on one thing just not economics.
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:04 PM
 
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btw Kristalina Georgieva, the bulgarian citizen who heads the imf is a classic case of a pro-russian communist turned "pro-western", I just did 1-2 minutes research: speaks russian, educated from Karl Marx university of something...her grandfather had lived in a russian city (back then Odesa- part of russia...) who had also spoken russian etc.



Until the country is run by communists hiding with fake identities in the west there is no fix. My last hope is within a few people from the country, namely a tv host whose shows I grew up with and several businessmen who are at odds with the PM (self-proclaimed dictator).
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Old 01-27-2020, 03:51 PM
 
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Here they come, piling in with their thinly veiled anti western posts. I really appreciate all Putin has contributed to the world since he launched his counter revolution in 2014, he's going to avenge the death of the Ussr isn't he?
What " thinly veiled anti western posts"? What I want to say here is that it seems to me that the country that is being talked about in this case (BG) has done relatively better in the past compared to other countries and compared to the present time. This proves that the liberal laissez-faire economy applied by some former socialist countries does not contribute to the development of society as a whole on a larger scale. But if I say so, it does not make me a supporter of Putin and it is not fair to say so.
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:34 AM
 
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What " thinly veiled anti western posts"? What I want to say here is that it seems to me that the country that is being talked about in this case (BG) has done relatively better in the past compared to other countries and compared to the present time. This proves that the liberal laissez-faire economy applied by some former socialist countries does not contribute to the development of society as a whole on a larger scale. But if I say so, it does not make me a supporter of Putin and it is not fair to say so.

No but it could make you one of the 20% russians living in Estonia , I read somewhere they had a huge diaspora there, uncomparable to Bulgaria where the russians are both lower in count and in % than even western europe. I am also unsure why is DKM so interested in Ukraine though unless he is Ukrainian living in America as it stands.
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:55 AM
 
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I haven't really thought of it that way, but there does seem to be a correlation, however there is also another correlation that southern countries are almost always poorer than their northern natives, such as Spain, Italy and Greece being poorer than UK, France and Germany.

But just to play around with this, lets compare how post communist countries are doing.

Country | Religion | GDP PPP per capita (IMF) | Population growth/decline since 1990ish

Czechia | Catholic | $37,371 | +2.77%
Slovenia | Catholic | $36,746 | +3.60%
Slovakia | Catholic | $35,130 | +2.87%
Lithuania | Catholic | $34,826 | -24.45%

Estonia | Lutheran | $34,096 | -13.50%
Poland | Catholic | $31,939 | +0.76%
Hungary | Catholic | $31,903 | -5.75%

Latvia | Lutheran | $29,901 | -27.50%

Russia | Orthodox | $29,267 | -0.77%
Kazakhstan | Muslim | $27,550 | +11.08%
Romania | Orthodox | $26,447 | -15.76%
Croatia | Catholic | $26,221 | -14.44%
Bulgaria | Orthodox | $23,156 | -21.78%

Belarus | Orthodox | $20,003 | -7.02%

Turkmenistan | Muslim | $19,527 | N/A
Montenegro | Orthodox | $19,043 | +4.23%
Azerbaijan | Muslim | $18,076 | +42.16%
Serbia | Orthodox | $17,555 | -11.59%
Macedonia | Orthodox | $15,709 | +8.80%

Bosnia | Muslim | $13,491 | -20.44%
Mongolia | Buddhist | $13,447 | +58.44%
Albania | Muslim | $13,345 | -11.96%
Georgia | Orthodox | $11,485 | -23.18%
Armenia | Oriental | $10,176 | -16.14%
Ukraine | Orthodox | $9,283 | -18.68%
Uzbekistan | Muslim | $7,665 | +62.49%
Moldova | Orthodox | $7,305 | -37.28%
Kyrgyzstan | Muslim | $3,844 | +45.37%
Tajikistan | Muslim | $3,416 | +72.03%


*underlined countries are in the EU.
You really don't understand that it has exclusively to do with Eu investments in the specific countries and lack of investments in the rest rather than church. No Croatia doesn't have a lower gdp than Romania because of church difference, it's simply that Romania joined the Eu earlier. Lol your ignorance level is legendary

As for southern Europe, Spain was ruined before ww2 by a great civil war, at the same time that Greece was the only country to deal with a civil war after ww2 when all countries got developed as well as the greatest refugee crisis in the world before ww2. Again, it has nothing to do with religion. Italy's not economically less developed than northern Europe

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Old 01-28-2020, 06:48 AM
 
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You really don't understand that it has exclusively to do with Eu investments in the specific countries and lack of investments in the rest rather than church. No Croatia doesn't have a lower gdp than Romania because of church difference, it's simply that Romania joined the Eu earlier. Lol your ignorance level is legendary

As for southern Europe, Spain was ruined before ww2 by a great civil war, at the same time that Greece was the only country to deal with a civil war after ww2 when all countries got developed as well as the greatest refugee crisis in the world before ww2. Again, it has nothing to do with religion. Italy's not economically less developed than northern Europe

One thing is that Greece is still seen as a richer country but the gap is surely closing. Back in the days in the 90s there were no normal shops let alone malls in Bulgaria, people were still afraid to criticize the government openly, resorts were worse etc etc. These days the refugee crysis in Greece, the Euro problems and recent building developments and financial regulations in Bulgaria have made the gap smaller and there are even business people from Greece who come here for the low taxes.
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