Wright ad; 20 years and said nothing (ethical, leader, carry, senator)
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Blacks didn't often capture blacks and sell them to Arab traders? You DO realize it STILL happens in the Sudan today? Now as far as your ASSumptions, that michelle has a big un.
Blacks didn't often capture blacks and sell them to Arab traders? You DO realize it STILL happens in the Sudan today? Now as far as your ASSumptions, that michelle has a big un.
What does this have to do with the topic we're discussing (Wright), or the impact of racial science on the United States?
Really so the government invented AIDS to kill minorities? and you agree with that? Well that speaks volumes about you.
There is precident for his belief. The Tuskegge Syphillis Experiment.
"For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.
The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”
There is a HUGE difference. The American way is the way America believes things should be done. You can not agree and not be unamerican. Example: Obama thinks taxing the heck out of us is a good thing for America and is in his view "the American way" but I disagree now that does not mean I think he is unAmerican for thinking this. Hope that helps.
Thank you for the clarification. I agree for the most part, except that I'm not sure there is or ever has been much consensus on the way things should be done. But, I suppose that's why we strive for a more perfect union, not a perfect one.
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Originally Posted by dcadca
I am not willing to give the benefit of the doubt to a Pastor that lies. He lied plain and simple. That is wrong.
I cannot dispute your judgement. I simply choose to judge not lest I be judged. I will assume that he, for whatever reason, believes these things to be true, however misguided.
Did Obama sit in their churches for 20 years? Didn't think so. You lose with the lamest excuse used.
Not lame. If Obama and Rev Wright were white there wouldn't be an issue. Proof? Is anyone talking about Palin's preacher? Some of his beliefs are pretty hateful as has been well documented. McCain changed his position on some issues inorder to get Hagee's endorsement. Hagee's anti american hateful sermans are also well documented. Yet, are we talking about them? No. Is it ok to be hateful if you are republican but not if you are liberal? As far as the serman everyone is talking about, give me a break, it's not nearly as hostile as what we are hearing from religious extremists today.
King James of Scotland, who came to power in 1603, called the Hampton Court Conference in order to work out a compromise with English Puritans and to unite the feuding religious factions. The outcome was the commissioning of a new authorized version of the Bible (published in 1611) that would satisfy all parties; the version became known as the King James Bible. Much of the language used hearkens back to Tyndale's translation. This new Bible made Tyndale's words central to Protestantism in the English-speaking world thereafter.
Those Puritans who were not satisfied with the compromise (they accepted the new translation, but could not accept the structure of the Anglican Church) left England, settling in the American colonies but bringing with them the King James version of the Bible. Its language -- and with it the words and ideas of Wycliffe, Tyndale, Cranmer, and the other pioneering translators of Scripture -- would be woven into the fabric of the new nation.
Not lame. If Obama and Rev Wright were white there wouldn't be an issue. Proof? Is anyone talking about Palin's preacher? Some of his beliefs are pretty hateful as has been well documented. McCain changed his position on some issues inorder to get Hagee's endorsement. Hagee's anti american hateful sermans are also well documented. Yet, are we talking about them? No. Is it ok to be hateful if you are republican but not if you are liberal? As far as the serman everyone is talking about, give me a break, it's not nearly as hostile as what we are hearing from religious extremists today.
Good point.
For those who are upset by Wright blaming problems on white people, is it equally upsetting that Palin's preacher blamed his community's problems on witches and ran them out of town? And then exorcised demons?
If it's offensive to say, as Wright did, that 9/11 was a result of the US's foreign policy, is it not as offensive to blame 9/11 on the US acceptance of homosexuals?
There is precident for his belief. The Tuskegge Syphillis Experiment.
"For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.
The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”
I quoted a sermon that Rev. Wright gave in 1990, so, I believe it has quite a lot of bearing on what Rev. Wright 'said.'
As for the 'lies', what one person believes in their heart is not a 'lie.' It may be far-fetched or silly or any number of other things, but, it is not a 'lie.'
The fact is that a lot of people believe that AIDs was created to attack certain populations. I'm not saying that they are right, but, a lot of people believe that the moon landing took place on a back lot in Hollywood too:
Bill Maher thinks that anyone who believes in God/Jesus is mentally ill. While I don't agree with his opinion, I don't believe it to be a 'lie.'
Furthermore, I defend his and everyone else's right to express their opinions as they see fit.
That IS the American Way.
His view is fine, if he believes it fine my problem comes back to the fact that Obama stayed for 20 years so I have to believe that he to believes the vicious things Wright says. As for the link I am sorry but it is no better then the ones saying Bush caused 9/11. I want cold hard facts and this is nothing but conspiracy theories.
There is precident for his belief. The Tuskegge Syphillis Experiment.
"For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.
The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”
I don't believe his statement about AID's but I can understand his distrust of the government.
This is the key sentence, they had it ALREADY. The government did not give it to them. Drug companies run studies like this all the time, it is far different from accusing the government of infecting them on purpose.
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You DO realize it STILL happens in the Sudan today? Now as far as your ASSumptions, that michelle has a big un. 
