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Old 06-23-2008, 08:54 PM
 
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Apparently McCain is trying desperately to revamp people's opinion of him by flipping on his long-term stance on offshore drilling and now offering 300 million dollars for an improved car battery without congressional approval.

I already know who I'm voting for, but I'm wondering if these developments are affecting undecided voters positively or negatively. I think McCain knew the election was all but lost and now he is pulling out the stops and hitting the panic button. This, quite frankly, is freaking me out a little.

By repealing the offshore drilling ban, we have little chance of seeing any direct relief at the pump,yet we risk our coastlines and risk mercury pollution that could affect marine life and fishing industries.

As far as offering awards to individuals or companies who come up with viable alternatives, that doesn't sound like a bad idea, altogether. However, 300 million dollars for a battery in this time of economic hardship may be hard for people to digest.

What bothers me is that next to nothing has been done to reign in the oil companies and their market manipulation, but we are expected to hand over even more of our land to them now. Furthermore, McCain is overstepping his position by, out of the blue, offering this large sum of taxpayers money for a battery without going thru proper channels.

I feel very uncomfortable with these two rash proposals. I'm wondering how others, especially those who are less biased than I am are feeling about these recent developments. Is McCain acting irrationally or are these propositions sensible?
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Old 06-23-2008, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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McCain lost all hope in a vote from this conservative, regardless of his VP pick. He's "insane in the brain" as the Cypress Hill song goes. I wouldn't care if Satan himself is running against him, I wouldn't vote for this loser just to spite "the other guy".
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Old 06-23-2008, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I voted for John McCain in 2000.
I thought I would vote for him again, but the John McCain I would have voted for drop out of the race about 9 months ago.
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:24 PM
 
Location: OC, CA
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Apparently McCain is trying desperately to revamp people's opinion of him by flipping on his long-term stance on offshore drilling and now offering 300 million dollars for an improved car battery without congressional approval.

I already know who I'm voting for, but I'm wondering if these developments are affecting undecided voters positively or negatively. I think McCain knew the election was all but lost and now he is pulling out the stops and hitting the panic button. This, quite frankly, is freaking me out a little.

By repealing the offshore drilling ban, we have little chance of seeing any direct relief at the pump,yet we risk our coastlines and risk mercury pollution that could affect marine life and fishing industries.

As far as offering awards to individuals or companies who come up with viable alternatives, that doesn't sound like a bad idea, altogether. However, 300 million dollars for a battery in this time of economic hardship may be hard for people to digest.

What bothers me is that next to nothing has been done to reign in the oil companies and their market manipulation, but we are expected to hand over even more of our land to them now. Furthermore, McCain is overstepping his position by, out of the blue, offering this large sum of taxpayers money for a battery without going thru proper channels.

I feel very uncomfortable with these two rash proposals. I'm wondering how others, especially those who are less biased than I am are feeling about these recent developments. Is McCain acting irrationally or are these propositions sensible?
Im glad you just reworded Obamas speech.

Look, if thousands of European countries are doing it, than we need to look into it to. We will probably be paying a lot for gas, but I would much rather have it going back into our own economy than the middle east's economy. Plus, even if prices don't go down, we wont be dependent upon the middle east meaning we can meddle into their affairs less.

In one summary, maybe it wont change the prices, but it will be a heck of a lot better than outsourcing it to the middle east.
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:52 PM
 
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Im glad you just reworded Obamas speech.

Look, if thousands of European countries are doing it, than we need to look into it to. We will probably be paying a lot for gas, but I would much rather have it going back into our own economy than the middle east's economy. Plus, even if prices don't go down, we wont be dependent upon the middle east meaning we can meddle into their affairs less.

In one summary, maybe it wont change the prices, but it will be a heck of a lot better than outsourcing it to the middle east.

The Federal Minerals Management Service estimates 86 billion barrels of oil lie in undiscovered reserves off the US coast. Considering to US uses about 20 mill. barrels a day, that's about 11 years worth of oil. Is it all even accessible? Finding it and drilling it would take years.

Bill Nelson, D,Fl stated "There isn't enough oil to make even the smallest dent in world oil prices".
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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"There isn't enough oil to make even the smallest dent in world oil prices".
I'm more interested in prices AT HOME. BS it wouldn't make a difference.

We should be doing all of it; drilling, clean-coal, shale, biofuel (not corn), nuclear (lots), renewables.
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:58 PM
 
Location: pensacola,florida
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well i guess with $4 a gallon gas a lot of people are rethinking offshore drilling. europeans have been doing it in the north sea with good results for years.if we dont drill in the gulf of mexico the chinese,russians ,etc will still do it just outside of our territorial waters and there will be nothing we can do about it.mccains 'super battery inventors award' would require congressional approval so it is really no different then obamas many super expensive proposals which he can propose all he wants but cant do without congress giving him the funding.if we dont increase oil production here we will become more and more dependent on our 'friends' in the middle east,russia,nigeria,and venezuala.there is no way we are going to eliminate the need for oil in the next few decades at least and the materials needed to make batteries all need to be mined,which many dont want occuring in this country either.plastics,paints,and many other necessities also come from oil.replacing oil using 'new' food sources doesnt make much sense to me either though converting waste cooking oil to diesel on a commercial scale and improving the technology involved in converting wood waste to ethanol would eventually help reduce the need for oil somewhat.a country that cant or wont develop their own energy will always be beholden to countries that dont like them much and just electing barack obama to the whitehouse for 4-8 years isnt going to make the world our friend despite what some seem to believe.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:00 PM
 
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Apparently McCain is trying desperately to revamp people's opinion of him by flipping on his long-term stance on offshore drilling and now offering 300 million dollars for an improved car battery without congressional approval.

I already know who I'm voting for, but I'm wondering if these developments are affecting undecided voters positively or negatively. I think McCain knew the election was all but lost and now he is pulling out the stops and hitting the panic button. This, quite frankly, is freaking me out a little.

By repealing the offshore drilling ban, we have little chance of seeing any direct relief at the pump,yet we risk our coastlines and risk mercury pollution that could affect marine life and fishing industries.

As far as offering awards to individuals or companies who come up with viable alternatives, that doesn't sound like a bad idea, altogether. However, 300 million dollars for a battery in this time of economic hardship may be hard for people to digest.

What bothers me is that next to nothing has been done to reign in the oil companies and their market manipulation, but we are expected to hand over even more of our land to them now. Furthermore, McCain is overstepping his position by, out of the blue, offering this large sum of taxpayers money for a battery without going thru proper channels.

I feel very uncomfortable with these two rash proposals. I'm wondering how others, especially those who are less biased than I am are feeling about these recent developments. Is McCain acting irrationally or are these propositions sensible?

lets see, vote for osama obama and have the republic destroyed in 4 years or vote mccain and have the republic destroyed in 8-12 years. decisions, decisions.
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:27 PM
 
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Or vote for Bush McCain and have the country destory in 1 day.
It will take Bush McCain 2 days to destroy the world since he is trigger happy.

Old fossil
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:34 PM
 
Location: pensacola,florida
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lets see, vote for osama obama and have the republic destroyed in 4 years or vote mccain and have the republic destroyed in 8-12 years. decisions, decisions.
well its easier to walk back up a hill from halfway down it then once youve rolled to the bottom
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