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There are situations in which things don't turn out as planned, and effectively there is a live baby outside the womb. (Remember, once outside the womb, in full human form, it is a baby).
Read the article about Mr. Obama's position on this.
My postion would be that if there is a living human being (even from a convoluted abortion) that human being deserves to be cared for...not disposed of...
If this story correctly tells Mr. Obama's position...He's not my guy...
Obama wants taxpayer-funded abortions, abortions across state lines, he even supports Planned Parenthood's doing abortion on kids w/o parental notification.... he is a radical on the abortion issue. He is also anti-gun, as long as the gun is owned by a law-abiding citizens.
Obama is no friend of the American people.
Obama even calls children a "punishment". I wonder if he considers non-black children and black children differtly.... like one should be aborted and the other not. Cause for concern, granted Obama's involvement with racist, anti-Semite people, like Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright.
In his speech in JOHNSTOWN, PA, on April 1, 2008 Obama insultssingle mothers and their children, that he did not want his children "punished with a baby."
Obama stated "I've got two daughters, 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.".
This guy is a pro-abortion radical. Make no mistake here.
Obama is for full term or live birth abortion which is a terrible thing to me. He says a woman shouldn't be "penalized" with a baby.
I read that at 8 months the fetus is fully developed. It would be a living baby if they delivered it. The article said they do the abortion by giving the baby an injection while it is in the womb so it dies. Then they deliver it and throw the body in a dumpster.
How do they kill those babies that are born alive? Some of you Obama supporters please tell me.
Thanks, ryneone. (I'll be in and out as I'm going through a tough period with my disease at present. )
As a disabled person, I find attitudes like Obama's frightening.:
Why? [Mod Cut] You can be pro-choice and disabled or an advocate for the disabled, there's nothing to stop it. Being pro-choice is about respect a woman's right to have autonomy over her own body, not about killing babies for the hell of it. Traditionally disability rights groups have not taken stands on abortion, because the disabled and their advocates are as divided on abortion as the rest of the country.
Obama voted Present not because he wanted babies to die on shelves but because the bill was construed in such a way as to attack a woman's general right to abortion, or at least that is how he saw it. He did not vote the way he did because he thought dead babies were OK, or that moreover that disabled people were disposable. Don't read too much into something into which there is nothing to be read.
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Why? [Mod Cut] You can be pro-choice and disabled or an advocate for the disabled, there's nothing to stop it. Being pro-choice is about respect a woman's right to have autonomy over her own body, not about killing babies for the hell of it.
Obama voted Present not because he wanted babies to die on shelves but because the bill was construed in such a way as to attack a woman's general right to abortion, or at least that is how he saw it. He did not vote the way he did because he thought dead babies were OK, or that moreover that disabled people were disposable. Don't read too much into something into which there is nothing to be read.
I happen to subscribe to the "seamless garment" ideology of protecting life -- Womb to tomb. Once a country becomes callous about protecting the most fragile, it starts to consider others disposable and dispensable, as well. This is a FACT in some European countries where medical care is rationed and money is not spent on the elderly and disabled in favor of younger, healthier people. Euthanasia becomes acceptable, as well. I am NOT willing to go there, and it always starts with disregard for the unborn.
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Obama is for full term or live birth abortion which is a terrible thing to me. He says a woman shouldn't be "penalized" with a baby.
I read that at 8 months the fetus is fully developed. It would be a living baby if they delivered it. The article said they do the abortion by giving the baby an injection while it is in the womb so it dies. Then they deliver it and throw the body in a dumpster.
How do they kill those babies that are born alive? Some of you Obama supporters please tell me.
Not an Obama supporter, but I wanted to mention that fetuses are fully developed earlier than 8 months. Neonatal medicine has progressed to the point where 28-week-old fetuses (some even earlier) can survive and thrive.
Here in Texas, if a pregnant woman whose fetus would be viable outside the womb is killed in some way (even in a DWI), the perpetrator is charged with TWO counts of murder, not just one. I think other states have similar laws. So, the courts recognize the personhood of that baby before it's even delivered but Obama thinks that late-term babies who were marked for abortion but survived the attempt should have no rights, no medical care, no comfort. Unbelievable!
I have met other survivors of abortion. They are all thankful for life. Only a few months ago I met another saline abortion survivor. Her name is Sarah. She is two years old. Sarah also has cerebral palsy, but her diagnosis is not good. She is blind and has severe seizures. The abortionist, besides injecting the mother with saline, also injects the baby victims. Sarah was injected in the head. I saw the place on her head where this was done. When I speak, I speak not only for myself, but for the other survivors, like Sarah, and also for those who cannot yet speak ...
How do they kill those babies that are born alive? Some of you Obama supporters please tell me.
The babies which are born alive are allowed to die on their own, are refused medical attention and were usually put in a closet until they are dead..in the case of severe fetal malformations (which studies show only accounted for 2% of these procedures) usually the parents request to hold the baby and allow him to be kept comfortable.
A 24 week fetus can be saved and with today's technology can expect to live without too many complications if given good care. Each week the odds get better..especially since the true gestational age can be up to 2 weeks off either way. I took care of many children at my pedi hospital who were 24 weeks gestation and some had problems, others did not. That said, I took care of full termers who were very sick children also.
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Unbelievable!
I took care of many children at my pedi hospital who were 24 weeks gestation and some had problems, others did not. That said, I took care of full termers who were very sick children also.
