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Old 06-18-2011, 05:32 PM
 
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I bet most of America doesn't know half these names.
Most of America can't name the VPOTUS or identify the states on a map of the USA. But hey, they can tell you who won on American Idol last week or which Kardashian sister is hottest. Priorities! It is that same stupidity that allowed Obama to be elected.

 
Old 06-18-2011, 05:40 PM
 
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Not getting the Huntsman love, he's more to the left that Obamaromney.
 
Old 06-18-2011, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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Most of America can't name the VPOTUS or identify the states on a map of the USA. But hey, they can tell you who won on American Idol last week or which Kardashian sister is hottest. Priorities! It is that same stupidity that allowed Obama to be elected.
It was John McCains running one of the worst campaigns in history that got Obama elected. Palin, Joe the Plumber, "I'm suspending my campaign" etc..America got that one right.
 
Old 06-18-2011, 05:45 PM
 
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Not getting the Huntsman love, he's more to the left that Obamaromney.
America is a country in the middle. Nobody wants a fringe loon to be president, either fringe.
 
Old 06-18-2011, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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And Paul should be running as libertarian, because that is what he is. Romeny is a typical American politician. They pick a party, but they all behave the same. Look at McCain and Bush for example. They could have been Democrats.
While Paul is a Libertarian, we seem to have forgotten that Republicans SHOULD BE Libertarians. The Republican Party has been hijacked by the Religious Right, and the Big Businesses that control ALL politicians now, leaving most of us normal, fiscally sane, Patriotic Americans without ANY representation.

Typical modern Republicans (not Ron or Rand Paul) are absolutely no different from Big Government Democrats, with the added negative of religious fanaticism. We desperately need to make the Republican Party be an actual alternative to Big Government excesses. The Tea Party tried this, but also fell victim to the Religious fanatics. Let's hope the Libertarians can remember that Government MUST remain separate from religion, or we'll end up in yet another perverted theocracy.

The Media, as yet another voice of the Big Businesses that own our politicians, constantly demonizes and marginalizes Libertarians, and tries to get the sheeple to assume Libertarians are too "radical" to elect. They know the sheeple would never actually investigate what Libertarians actually stand for--freedom from constant government micro-management and taxation into virtual slavery, all combined with a government that WILL spend the nation into bankruptcy while policing the world and sabotaging our own Middle Class. In reality, we either do something different in this nation, or continue to watch it crash and burn. We need to elect a Libertarian to save America, and give an actual CHOICE to voters again.

The best thing that could happen would be for Ron Paul to get the Republican nomination. And if he doesn't, I think we can all agree that the unified political party of Big Government Republicrats has total control of the political process, and we might as well dispense with the illusion of elections altogether.
 
Old 06-18-2011, 06:24 PM
 
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You're non-existent polls are wrong...And, last I heard Obama was a "neo-progressive"..Which is it today? "An estimated 201.5 million U.S. citizens age 18 or over will be eligible to vote Nov. 2, although many are not now registered. Of these, about 55 million are registered Republicans. About 72 million registered Democrats."
USATODAY.com - Why politics is fun from catbirds' seats
Here's a different breakdown that shows the split to be more 50/50 between parties: "35.6% of American Adults consider themselves to be Republicans, up from 34.8% in April...The number calling themselves Democrats increased slightly from 33.5% in April to 34.0% last month....voters who say they are not affiliated with either party fell back to 30.4% in May from 31.7% the month before. The May results mark the sixth time in the past seven months that there have been more Republicans than Democrats in the nation." Partisan Trends - Rasmussen Reports™

And more tellingly, "Gallup finds 42% of Americans describing themselves as either very conservative or conservative. This is up slightly from the 40% seen for all of 2009 and contrasts with the 20% calling themselves liberal or very liberal." In 2010, Conservatives Still Outnumber Moderates, Liberals

So while many have been disillusioned by the Republican's failure to limit the excesses of government growth and spending, it doesn't mean they support liberal Democrat policies of tax and spend. So of the 1 out of 3 who are independent, it seems a significant majority would vote Republican if the Republican candidate strongly supported a fiscally sane and smaller government (and then actually DID what they promised, once in office).
 
Old 06-18-2011, 07:12 PM
 
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Here's a different breakdown that shows the split to be more 50/50 between parties: "35.6% of American Adults consider themselves to be Republicans, up from 34.8% in April...The number calling themselves Democrats increased slightly from 33.5% in April to 34.0% last month....voters who say they are not affiliated with either party fell back to 30.4% in May from 31.7% the month before. The May results mark the sixth time in the past seven months that there have been more Republicans than Democrats in the nation." Partisan Trends - Rasmussen Reports™

And more tellingly, "Gallup finds 42% of Americans describing themselves as either very conservative or conservative. This is up slightly from the 40% seen for all of 2009 and contrasts with the 20% calling themselves liberal or very liberal." In 2010, Conservatives Still Outnumber Moderates, Liberals

So while many have been disillusioned by the Republican's failure to limit the excesses of government growth and spending, it doesn't mean they support liberal Democrat policies of tax and spend. So of the 1 out of 3 who are independent, it seems a significant majority would vote Republican if the Republican candidate strongly supported a fiscally sane and smaller government (and then actually DID what they promised, once in office).
I ignore all rasmussen polls. And you gallup link doesn't work. Anyway...

"Tax and spend" may be a stereotypical democratic belief but it has been a republican reality. To infer that a significant majority of independant's would vote republican if the gop candidate promised their usual would require that you ignore the election of every recent dem president. All GOP presidential candidates promise the same thing but they don't all get elected.
 
Old 06-18-2011, 07:26 PM
 
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Here's a different breakdown that shows the split to be more 50/50 between parties: "35.6% of American Adults consider themselves to be Republicans, up from 34.8% in April...The number calling themselves Democrats increased slightly from 33.5% in April to 34.0% last month....voters who say they are not affiliated with either party fell back to 30.4% in May from 31.7% the month before. The May results mark the sixth time in the past seven months that there have been more Republicans than Democrats in the nation." Partisan Trends - Rasmussen Reports™

And more tellingly, "Gallup finds 42% of Americans describing themselves as either very conservative or conservative. This is up slightly from the 40% seen for all of 2009 and contrasts with the 20% calling themselves liberal or very liberal." In 2010, Conservatives Still Outnumber Moderates, Liberals

So while many have been disillusioned by the Republican's failure to limit the excesses of government growth and spending, it doesn't mean they support liberal Democrat policies of tax and spend. So of the 1 out of 3 who are independent, it seems a significant majority would vote Republican if the Republican candidate strongly supported a fiscally sane and smaller government (and then actually DID what they promised, once in office).
People may say what they think they are, but it is all about action.

A voter votes for what or who is most advantageous to themselves or their interests...

... thinking that what is good for them is good for everyone else, or

... not giving a damn about anyone or anything else.

This thinking is constant throughout the range of political persuasion from Ultra-conservative through Libertarian through Moderate to Ultra-liberal. It's amazing how similar it is; only the agendas are different.

This is why entitlements will never be drastically cut, domestic military bases will never be consolidated, taxes will never be drastically raised, and government will never be drastically cut. The voter has spoken on this for almost a century. It's up to the politician/bureaucrat to make it work.
 
Old 06-18-2011, 07:31 PM
 
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Paul will not get the nomination. It will probably be Romney.

How is Romneycare doing these days?
 
Old 06-18-2011, 07:35 PM
 
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Paul will not get the nomination. It will probably be Romney.

How is Romneycare doing these days?
RomneyCare, unlike ObamaCare, is constitutional.
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