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Old 09-14-2010, 12:43 PM
 
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Am I the only one who thinks posts that run on and on this with scant use use of the period (.), should be deleted???

Not to mention no capitalization, bad spelling, etc.


sory i dident graduate from uneversity with a masters degree in english. im a ****ing welder not everybodys perfict you doushe its not about the periods or bad grammer **** grammer if your looking at what i wrote and thats all you see then your missing the point of this whole fourm
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Old 09-14-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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Of all the stupid 2 year old threads to resurrect, it's a stupid Hal Turner one talking about the Amero.

THERE ISN'T AND NEVER SHALL BE A UNIFIED NORTH AMERICA IN CURRENCY OR GOVERNMENT! PERIOD! Way too diverse, way too different, way too difficult. Why in the world would Canada want to join the USA? It's like the responsible sibling in a family of losers and misfits. And why would the US want to join with Mexico? It's not like we WANT virtual rebellion in our borders. Why would Mexico OR Canada want to join with the US, who is perceived as the bully of the world?

No, it's stupid, no chance of it ever working, stop listening to Hal Turner, who by the way, is now in jail.

the uropian union has done it, its 100% posible wiill it happen who knows, and the combination is to get rid of the fluctuating doller betwwn the contrys numb nuts, and i have no idea who hall turner is, thers ALOT more out there on this topic then whover your talking about. take a look around
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Old 09-14-2010, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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and the combination is to get rid of the fluctuating doller betwwn the contrys numb nuts,
The value of anything is based on Supply & Demand.

There are exceptions when an entity interferes with Supply, Demand or both. A good example is diamonds. Diamonds are worthless. The reasons you pay an outrageous price for diamonds is an international cartel, specifically to wit the deBeers family, controls the diamond trade, and because you've been brain-washed by the media to believe diamonds are valuable, when in fact they are not.

Another example is milk. The price of milk is probably about $0.72 per gallon now. The reason you pay more than $2.50/gallon is because your government interferes with Supply by taking your tax dollars and paying diary farmers to slaughter their herds to artificially create a shortage of milk to drive the price up; to dump milk down the drains to artificially create a shortage of milk to drive the price up; to buy milk and take it off of the consumer mark to artificially create a shortage of milk to drive the price up; and a few other things.

Currency is no different than any other commodity, product or service available to you.

The value of any currency is based on Supply & Demand.

The value of the US Dollar is over-inflated because both the Supply and the Demand of the US Dollar have been artificially manipulated for the last 60+ years.

For example, the Bretton Woods Agreement effectively made the US Dollar the de facto currency of world trade.

Because the US Dollar was the de facto currency of world trade, it was also the de facto world currency reserve.

To further ensure the US Dollar would maintain supremacy, it was traded on the world markets like any other commodity.

The US (and UK) then conspired to block other currencies from being traded on the world markets. Such currencies were the Russian Ruble, the Romanian Lei, the East German OstMark, and all currencies from any country labeled "communist."

The US also prevented those currencies from having any Demand by insisting (through coercion and force) that all products traded on the world market be traded in US Dollars. Those products included oil, natural gas, coal, timber, metal ores, mineral ores, wheat, oats, barely, sorghum, rice, coffee, chocolate, sugar cane, cotton, linen, flaxen, silk, semi-finished products like steel, and finished products, like automobiles and the like.

The value of the US Dollar began to decline when its Demand declined. The Demand for the US Dollar declined because of the introduction of a large bloc currency, the Euro; because the Russians opened the Moscow Exchange and began trading Rubles internationally for the first time since WWII; because many countries that were forced to conduct world trade in US Dollars now have viable alternatives, namely the Euro and Ruble; because the Federal Reserves of many countries (ie the Central Banks) began dumping their US Dollar currency reserves in exchange for Euros and gold; because many countries, like the former Iraq, began selling oil and natural gas in Euros, Rubles and Yuan instead of US Dollars, and for a number of other reasons, one of which is the lack of faith in the US Dollar because Americans are irresponsible.

If you understand that, then you know that merging the US Dollar with the Mexican Peso, and/or the Canadian Dollar will have no effect on the Supply or the Demand of the US Dollar.

The reason is that both Canada and Mexico conduct all of their trade in US Dollars. If Canada conducted its world trade and sold its oil and natural gas on the world market in Canadian Dollars, and then started selling its oil and natural gas in US Dollars, then the Demand for US Dollars would increase, but since Canadians have always conducted trade in US Dollars, there will be no change in Demand. The same is true for Mexico, which has always sold its oil, natural gas and other commodities on the world market in US Dollars and not in Mexican Pesos, so there would be no additional Demand for US Dollars.

What a union of the US and Mexico would do is move the border of the US to Central America where it might be in a better position to use threat, coercion and force to keep those countries from aligning with China.
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Old 09-14-2010, 03:55 PM
 
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I've been going through some of the posts here and can't figure out if a lot of the populace is just ill informed or just plain disinterested in things economic. Granted, it doesn't take a lot to rile up the average American today, and things are going downhill fast and everybody's waiting for that other shoe to drop. In the basic outline of those neophyte econ studies at the university level most students learn about those things that distinguish capitalism from other types of economic constructs, the biggie being that the monetary system is considered to be serving best when it is privatized. In the absence of a real democratic monetary system it doesn't matter what you call the remaining governing body, what matters is that the citizens understand the terms of private ownership in relation to their collective money.

Ours is a very private economy for the most part, our banking corporations are stronger than all the laws that were put in place to restrain them, the consequences of the last three years of banking misconduct has come home to roost and everybody is looking around for some answers. At this juncture it means little that American's are finally waking up, that wont change the fact that the money is the private property of banks and investment houses, they lose your hard earned money and then ask you (the taxpayer) to ante up the losses, not your losses of course, but theirs. Worrying about the coming of a new currency is not worth the effort, Wall Streeters aren't worried. It's their money, they paid the politicians for it and by God they're going to do with it as they please. Any doubters to this only need to look back a few years at the amount of high dollar thievery that has gone unpunished, on the other hand we see bank robbers getting twenty years or more......
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Old 09-15-2010, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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sory i dident graduate from uneversity with a masters degree in english. im a ****ing welder not everybodys perfict you doushe its not about the periods or bad grammer **** grammer if your looking at what i wrote and thats all you see then your missing the point of this whole fourm
It would be in your own best interests to, at least, separate your post into paragraphs with spacing in between. And sentences beginning with caps, with periods in between. If a post runs more than about ten lines, all packed together, very few people will read it, no matter how well it is written.

If you don't have spell-check, get it and learn to use it. Again, in your own best interests---people will take your posts more seriously. If you use Firefox, your text will be automatically spell-checked.

If you are unwilling to make the effort, and meet the rest of us half way, everybody may miss the point of the forum, and get the point that you just don't give a damn.
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:15 PM
 
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Perhaps its time to educate yourselves a little more? I suggest looking for a video on the internet called Zeitgeist, its free. There's also a second part called Addendum.
If the common currency ever came into effect there would be no borders correct? If thats the case we would become a new entity.The precious rights of everyone are no longer valid because we are a different entity. No Bill of Rights no Constitution and no Declaration... something new would be made. I'm not ready for that!! The US can keep its scare tactics(terrorism) and start paying attention to whats really going on. US government spends far too much money in conspiracy's and pay-offs.

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Old 09-17-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The precious rights of everyone are no longer valid because we are a different entity. No Bill of Rights no Constitution and no Declaration... something new would be made. .
Wanna think of something really, really scary? Think about what a new constitution would look like if it were made up by the current crowd in Washington. Aside from the fact that it would be 48,000 pages long.
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Old 09-19-2010, 01:15 AM
 
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It would be in your own best interests to, at least, separate your post into paragraphs with spacing in between. And sentences beginning with caps, with periods in between. If a post runs more than about ten lines, all packed together, very few people will read it, no matter how well it is written.

If you don't have spell-check, get it and learn to use it. Again, in your own best interests---people will take your posts more seriously. If you use Firefox, your text will be automatically spell-checked.

If you are unwilling to make the effort, and meet the rest of us half way, everybody may miss the point of the forum, and get the point that you just don't give a damn.


sory i dont have the time to do that. consperisy theorys are not my life
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Old 09-19-2010, 01:17 AM
 
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besides it dosent realy matter everybody elts has already said what i said basicly. hopfuly they got the mesage, the .'s and capitals must have realy helpped them understand what the point of this thread was all about
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Old 09-23-2010, 04:13 PM
 
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I don't think there is any serious proposal for this. But I do believe that politicians will accuse the other party of plotting it.
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