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Old 12-08-2010, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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Today, our national debt is more than 13 times larger than it was just 30 years ago....

So can't we just "grow" our way out of this debt?

Not a chance.

The sad truth (snip) is that it is now mathematically impossible to pay off the U.S. government debt.


Why Democrats And Republicans Are Both Wrong About The Bush Tax Cuts
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Old 12-08-2010, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Southern NH
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The cost of keeping the tax rates the same as they are now is $383 billion and this package is estimated to cost $700 to 900 billion. This is another stimulus package:
Anderson Cooper 360: Blog Archive - Tax cut deal and surprise stimulus – the cost « - CNN.com Blogs

Can a government spend its way out of an economic slump?
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Old 12-08-2010, 10:32 PM
 
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The Bush tax cuts cost us a considerable sum of money under the Bush administration with no demonstrated increase in GDP. They were then, and are now, unfunded expenditures.

It is most certainly intended as a stimulus measure. If accompanied by spending cuts they might actually prove effective. But, I just don't see that happening.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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Tax cuts? More like Deficit adders. What a ridiculous and silly tax program that should never have been signed ten years ago.

More pathetic financial policies.
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Old 12-09-2010, 03:05 PM
 
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Tax cuts? More like Deficit adders. What a ridiculous and silly tax program that should never have been signed ten years ago.

More pathetic financial policies.
Not as pathetic as the government spending and entitlements that has gone on for decades. They keep spending and asking for more when they should be cutting and living like most of the american people do when their income goes down.
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Old 12-09-2010, 05:59 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Today, our national debt is more than 13 times larger than it was just 30 years ago....

So can't we just "grow" our way out of this debt?

Not a chance.

The sad truth (snip) is that it is now mathematically impossible to pay off the U.S. government debt.


Why Democrats And Republicans Are Both Wrong About The Bush Tax Cuts
"Pay off the U.S. government debt"? What makes you think they ever had any intention of doing that??? It has been going up since 1840, so why would they try to make it go down all of a sudden?

Thousands turned into Millions, which turned into Billions, which turned into Trillions. I have no doubt that we will see Quadrillions before we ever see Billions again. Print, expand, repeat. That is the strategy. It will be interesting to see how it ends. It wont be fun, but it'll be interesting.
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Old 12-09-2010, 06:57 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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we won't last long enough to see quadrillions...
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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The government can't in principle pay off the government debt, government debt is a critical part of our money system. The only thing that matters is how the debt relates to GDP.
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:52 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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The government can't in principle pay off the government debt, government debt is a critical part of our money system. The only thing that matters is how the debt relates to GDP.
One way they can increase the GDP (nominally) or decrease the debt to GDP ratio is with inflation. It doesn't seem to be working very well this time. At least not yet.
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:57 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Some of you are then for a TAX INCREASE for middle class Americans starting January 1, 2011?

People making 80k per year would see a NET LOSS OF 1600 per month with the largest TAX INCREASE in our nations history if this was allowed to expire.

You simply cannot have a tax increase on working people during a recession.

Not a smart idea.

For those who are thinking this was just for rich people you could not be more wrong.
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