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Old 10-26-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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THOSE PEOPLE ARE SALESMEN, NOT scientists.

ARAGON CANNOT COMPETE WITH DR. FRIEDMAN.

ALL THOSE INTERNET GURUS ARE WRONG. THEIR INFO IS COMPLETELY AT ODDS WITH WORLD RENOWNED SCIENTISTS.
Oh really? Alan has a bachelors and masters degree in nutrition, and two NBA teams, an NHL team, and countless individuals have trusted him with their bodies. You also didn't address him taking Lustig behind the woodshed.

How odd.
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Old 10-26-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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EaT LeSs, mOvE mOrE, dOeS wOrK!!!
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Old 10-26-2012, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Where I'm At
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Because here's the ugly truth; MOST (but not all) overweight people are undisciplined, unmotivated, and unwilling to accept responsibility for their condition. As humans, we are creatures of habit. Until you replace your bad habits (mindless eating of "crap" combined with a sedentary lifestyle, ) with good habits (semi-healthy meals combined with a semi-active lifestyle) the numbers on the scale will remain the same. It really is that simple.
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Because here's the ugly truth; MOST (but not all) overweight people are undisciplined, unmotivated, and unwilling to accept responsibility for their condition. As humans, we are creatures of habit. Until you replace your bad habits (mindless eating of "crap" combined with a sedentary lifestyle, ) with good habits (semi-healthy meals combined with a semi-active lifestyle) the numbers on the scale will remain the same. It really is that simple.
Be careful when you bandy around words like "most." I don't know what proportion fit the criteria you set:

Undisciplined *and* unmotivated *and* unwilling to accept responsibility for their condition.

I'd venture to guess that *many* of those overweight people are children. And I'd guess that they are uneducated about nutrition and healthy choices, AND that they eat what their parents feed them. As such, they are the victims of someone *else's* poor choices, and will not grow out of it until they find a role model willing to teach them or until they are adults with the means to buy their own food and feed themselves.

Rather than dump "most" overweight people into such a negative and insulting category, how about you go to a public school and teach some of those overweight kids how they can enjoy some healthy meals, and maybe do a few home visits on some of the most severe cases, and teach their parents how to provide healthy choices in food and exercise to their kids.

THEN come back and tell us how "most" overweight people are guilty of all sins.
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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Because here's the ugly truth; MOST (but not all) overweight people are undisciplined, unmotivated, and unwilling to accept responsibility for their condition. As humans, we are creatures of habit. Until you replace your bad habits (mindless eating of "crap" combined with a sedentary lifestyle, ) with good habits (semi-healthy meals combined with a semi-active lifestyle) the numbers on the scale will remain the same. It really is that simple.
So true. Simple it is, easy it is not. But it is not hard either. It is just a matter of what means the most in ones life. Once you get your priorities set and are willing to sacrifice, losing weight and maintaining a healthy weight just becomes second nature. You just have to want it bad enough.
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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So true. Simple it is, easy it is not. But it is not hard either. It is just a matter of what means the most in ones life. Once you get your priorities set and are willing to sacrifice, losing weight and maintaining a healthy weight just becomes second nature. You just have to want it bad enough.
100% true. Any fat person could be thin with enough will power, deprivation, and discipline. Is that a solution?
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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If you took 1000 random 30 year old men and fed them exactly the same thing for two years and each one of them did exactly the same thing physically (sat at a desk X minutes a day, slept Y minutes a day, walked Z miles a day), would each of them weigh the same assuming they were the same height? In other words, would identical environment produce identical results?
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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If you took 1000 random 30 year old men and fed them exactly the same thing for two years and each one of them did exactly the same thing physically (sat at a desk X minutes a day, slept Y minutes a day, walked Z miles a day), would each of them weigh the same assuming they were the same height? In other words, would identical environment produce identical results?

Obviously not.

But if the diet and exercise program resulted in a net energy deficit for each man, all of them would lose weight.

Given the same walking distance, heavier men would burn more calories per mile. So the energy expenditure would vary depending on the starting weight.

I suspect that if you started with men of the same body weight and body fat percentage, their weights would pretty well parallel one another.
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:31 PM
 
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Because here's the ugly truth; MOST (but not all) overweight people are undisciplined, unmotivated, and unwilling to accept responsibility for their condition. As humans, we are creatures of habit. Until you replace your bad habits (mindless eating of "crap" combined with a sedentary lifestyle, ) with good habits (semi-healthy meals combined with a semi-active lifestyle) the numbers on the scale will remain the same. It really is that simple.
And here's another ugly truth. There are THIN people(a lot actually) who are undisciplined, unmotivated, and who rarely exercise or eat healthy. They eat what they want and partake in a lot of activities that are typically associated with overweight individuals. And yet these same "thin" people don't become overweight. There are also overweight people that eat healthy, workout, and yet they still may not be at their "ideal" weight. And there are people that lose weight and maintain the weight loss, not eating "healthy" meals at all.. Just sayin.
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Obviously not.
Why not? According to this thread, genetics has nothing to do with it.

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I am sure there are people who use genetics as an excuse to become and stay obese.
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Blaming obesity on genetics is an excuse to remain obese.
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A lot of the reason the "due to genetics" malarchy is malarchy,
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