[Stylo]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

I do not think New Haven can build a major corporate base, while Boston can.

New Haven has Yale which is awesome, but Boston has several top universities. If Boston had either just Harvard or just MIT, the cities would be comparable. Boston has many universities ranked in the top 50, per the US News column Jay linked a few pages back. That's like a MLB team having a guy hitting .300 with 30 homers 7th. It means like that team, Boston has the nation's deepest lineup of top universities.

Second, New Haven lacks the extensive public transit options Boston has.

I'm not even comparing it to Boston.

It will never have the scale of Boston, but that doesn't mean it can't attract new corporations.

Having Quinnipiac, Yale, UoNH, Wesleyan, SCSU, Fairfield U, Sacred Heart, etc. within 25 miles is nothing to scoff at. Plus, not every grad wants the big city experience. Some want smaller vibrant cities, with easy commutes, lower cost of living, and a more relaxed feel. NYC and Boston have PLENTY of room for the grads that want that experience. Small cities are "hot" right now and New Haven isn't doing enough to attract corps, period. Hard disagree that NHV can't attract more.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by Stylo

I'm not even comparing it to Boston.

It will never have the scale of Boston, but that doesn't mean it can't attract new corporations.

Having Quinnipiac, Yale, UoNH, Wesleyan, SCSU, Fairfield U, Sacred Heart, etc. within 25 miles is nothing to scoff at. Plus, not every grad wants the big city experience. Some want smaller vibrant cities, with easy commutes, lower cost of living, and a more relaxed feel. NYC and Boston have PLENTY of room for the grads that want that experience. Small cities are "hot" right now and New Haven isn't doing enough to attract corps, period. Hard disagree that NHV can't attract more.

What I'd like to see NH do is emulate South Norwalk & Greenwich in one way. Each added train station - bus shuttle systems, after seeing Stamford do it the last 2 plus decades. NH should seek Ct assistance and do just that, and like South Norwalk go past town lines. In other words, go to major employment points in both New Haven & perhaps West Haven & East Haven (various shuttle lines). The trick is to keep each line making few stops, continuous loops, at least leaving every half hour during peak times, either away from station primarily (a.m.) or towards it (p.m.).

I still recall how 19th century Stamford was in transit when my ex brother-in-law worked a mile from downtown Stamford in the 80s. He drove a state van, picked up 10 or so going to Stamford at park and ride stops (driver rode free). That predated the shuttle system in Stamford we know today. UGH!

Products you get delivered come intermodal (many forms of transportation). It should be possible for people to travel that way, too. Young grads love that!

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by Stylo

I'm not even comparing it to Boston.

It will never have the scale of Boston, but that doesn't mean it can't attract new corporations.

Having Quinnipiac, Yale, UoNH, Wesleyan, SCSU, Fairfield U, Sacred Heart, etc. within 25 miles is nothing to scoff at. Plus, not every grad wants the big city experience. Some want smaller vibrant cities, with easy commutes, lower cost of living, and a more relaxed feel. NYC and Boston have PLENTY of room for the grads that want that experience. Small cities are "hot" right now and New Haven isn't doing enough to attract corps, period. Hard disagree that NHV can't attract more.

This is a good post.

[JGBigGreen]

When I worked in New Haven, both Yale and CTTranist (I think as I only ever used the Yale shuttle) offered a shuttle service. Is this no longer offered?

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

What I'd like to see NH do is emulate South Norwalk & Greenwich in one way. Each added train station - bus shuttle systems, after seeing Stamford do it the last 2 plus decades. NH should seek Ct assistance and do just that, and like South Norwalk go past town lines. In other words, go to major employment points in both New Haven & perhaps West Haven & East Haven (various shuttle lines). The trick is to keep each line making few stops, continuous loops, at least leaving every half hour during peak times, either away from station primarily (a.m.) or towards it (p.m.).

I still recall how 19th century Stamford was in transit when my ex brother-in-law worked a mile from downtown Stamford in the 80s. He drove a state van, picked up 10 or so going to Stamford at park and ride stops (driver rode free). That predated the shuttle system in Stamford we know today. UGH!

Products you get delivered come intermodal (many forms of transportation). It should be possible for people to travel that way, too. Young grads love that!

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by JGBigGreen

When I worked in New Haven, both Yale and CTTranist (I think as I only ever used the Yale shuttle) offered a shuttle service. Is this no longer offered?

It is still offered. I’m not sure why BobNJ1960 doesn’t know that. They offer exactly what he mentions. Jay

https://your.yale.edu/work-yale/camp...ptions/shuttle

https://www.cttransit.com/sites/defa...cal_system.pdf

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by JayCT

It is still offered. I’m not sure why BobNJ1960 doesn’t know that. They offer exactly what he mentions. Jay

https://your.yale.edu/work-yale/camp...ptions/shuttle

https://www.cttransit.com/sites/defa...cal_system.pdf

It is not as extensive as South Norwalk nor Greenwich. I think it should be. It should go well past YNH and a few hourly bus lines.

I am not talking hourly Ct Transit buses, but more continuous loops like South Norwalk, multiple runs per hour leading away in peak a.m. slots, and towards Union St peak p.m. slots.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by Stylo

I'm not even comparing it to Boston.

It will never have the scale of Boston, but that doesn't mean it can't attract new corporations.

Having Quinnipiac, Yale, UoNH, Wesleyan, SCSU, Fairfield U, Sacred Heart, etc. within 25 miles is nothing to scoff at. Plus, not every grad wants the big city experience. Some want smaller vibrant cities, with easy commutes, lower cost of living, and a more relaxed feel. NYC and Boston have PLENTY of room for the grads that want that experience. Small cities are "hot" right now and New Haven isn't doing enough to attract corps, period. Hard disagree that NHV can't attract more.

I think NH would be wise to increase its mass transit options, just as South Norwalk has and Greenwich. Each is emulating what Stamford did, and most office complexes have coverage in each city.

We must accept that New Haven can only attract more by analyzing the root cause of where it has fallen short so far. It has not attracted many corps; get to the why leaders, address it via corrective action.

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

It is not as extensive as South Norwalk nor Greenwich. I think it should be. It should go well past YNH and a few hourly bus lines.

I am not talking hourly Ct Transit buses, but more continuous loops like South Norwalk, multiple runs per hour leading away in peak a.m. slots, and towards Union St peak p.m. slots.

Buses in New Haven run more than hourly during peak hours just like Norwalk and there is a regular loop that takes you around downtown. It goes to the New Haven Green where most, if not all buses originate. It’s a pretty comprehensive system. Not sure what more anyone can expect. Jay

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by JayCT

Buses in New Haven run more than hourly during peak hours just like Norwalk and there is a regular loop that takes you around downtown. It goes to the New Haven Green where most, if not all buses originate. It’s a pretty comprehensive system. Not sure what more anyone can expect. Jay

IMO, It should go into neighborhoods with businesses (office complexes) far more directly from the train station, and eliminate the need for changing routes on the Green, as you are then making a journey from another town to destination a 3 route trip each way (train, bus to green, bus to neighborhood)

South Norwalk routes are a few times an hour every rush hour period. They do not require a bus to the "green", so South Norwalk & Greenwich, like Stamford make it a two route trip. It takes more buses plus state funding to accomplish, but if NH fails to change, we cannot expect more growth in NH. It is truly that simple. A 3 route trip, twice a day, 48 weeks worked (excludes PTO) amounts to 480 extra trip segments versus a 2 route trip.

We cannot expect better results via the same old, same old.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by okbymeman

No, this is just wishful thinking. You can’t attract young college grads to Enfield, that’s the big issue here. Even New Haven would be much harder than Boston for attracting talent.

agreed.

Had Lego stayed an unsophisticated, small toy company, Enfield would fit its needs. It outgrew the talent base in the region it was in, so it wisely chose to move to the US city with the best options for educated, top talent.