Residents, would you reccomend Columbus over Cincinnati or Cleveland (house, quality of life)

[bjimmy24]

There are many forums for every major city.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

There are many forums for every major city.

Yes, that's the point. Some forums are much more popular than others for specific cities. This forum has always been quiet for Columbus. Some people seem to think that means something else.

[WRnative]

Post 66:

Originally Posted by WRnative

Now, let's look at buildings over 200-feet tall. Cleveland has 47 (One University Circle has been completed and is open) compared to only 30 in Columbus. This demonstrates decisively another reason Cleveland feels like a much bigger city than Columbus, not even including its much superior cultural amenities three major pro sport facilities downtown compared to one in Cleveland, and its much superior mass transit system.

Correction: Obviously, should be "compared to one in Columbus."

[Buckeye614]

Originally Posted by WRnative

I'm glad that you raised the issue of "smaller" skyscrapers because a close examination of the issue explains well why Cleveland feels bigger to any objective person than Columbus.

First, Cleveland has by far the tallest buildings in Ohio with the 947-foot Key Tower, the 25th tallest in the U.S. Flanking Cleveland's 10-acre Public Square with the Key Tower is the second-tallest building in Ohio, the historic 751-foot Terminal Tower, still the 75th tallest in the U.S., and the fourth highest building in Ohio -- the 658-foot 200 Public Square.

The tallest building in Columbus, and fifth tallest in Ohio, is the 629-foot Rhodes State Office Tower, over 300 feet shorter than Key Tower in Cleveland!

You would ignore this and ridiculously claim that Columbus has taller buildings because 10 of the 20 tallest buildings in Ohio are in Columbus, compared to only 6 of 20 in Cleveland, dismissing the significance of Cleveland's closely-clustered giants in creating a "big city" feel.

By this logic, let's look at the number of buildings over 300 feet tall. Cleveland has 19 compared to only 17 in Columbus.

Now, let's look at buildings over 200-feet tall. Cleveland has 47 (One University Circle has been completed and is open) compared to only 30 in Columbus. This demonstrates decisively another reason Cleveland feels like a much bigger city than Columbus, not even including its much superior cultural amenities three major pro sport facilities downtown compared to one in Cleveland, and its much superior mass transit system. A big city has a dominant cultural district. Cleveland has that in spades with University Circle. Columbus is relatively deficient in this regard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Cleveland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...Columbus,_Ohio

There's also something to be said for the tunnels connecting whole blocks of skyscrapers in Cleveland, such as in the Tower City/Landmark Office Building complex, and the 925 Building (formerly the Huntington Building) and the Ohio Savings Plaza.

Quicken Loans Arena and Progressive Field are connected to Tower City by a pedestrian walkway, providing easy access to those sports venues for persons traveling downtown for games on Cleveland's rail rapid lines. Visitors to Cleveland could arrive at Cleveland Hopkins, take the Red Line to Tower City, stay in hotel in Tower City, go to the Tower City casino, and enjoy a game or other event at Quicken Loans Arena, without ever going outside in the winter. That's a big city feature shared by few U.S. cities.

The West Side Market dwarfs the Columbus North Market, and its surrounded by the excellent Market District of Ohio City, also enhancing Cleveland's "big city" feel.

Visitors to Cleveland can visit two superb maritime museums (the U.S.S. Cod and Steamship Mather) or the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in addition to Cleveland's world-class cultural attractions. They can take lake and river cruises on the Goodtime III and other cruise ships. What comparable attractions are in Columbus?

https://goodtimeiii.com/site/

Cleveland's arcades, Terminal Tower with its observation deck, Heinen's at the Ameritrust Tower, Playhouse Square theater district, Tower City's Avenue Mall, and even the Hilton's Bar 32, a skyscraper lounge, enhance the big city feel of Cleveland's downtown relative to Columbus.

East 4th & Arcades - Gateway District | Downtown Cleveland's Vibrant Commercial, Entertainment, and Residential NeighborhoodGateway District | Downtown Cleveland's Vibrant Commercial, Entertainment, and Residential Neighborhood

https://www.5thstreetarcades.com/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG1cNWp3aVI

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Tower City has a ton of potential based on its prime location and unique architecture but its execution is pretty depressing. I hope the interior gets redeveloped. The Casino isn't anything to write home about either unless you enjoy watching people spending money they clearly don't have and being enveloped in cigarette smoke. These are honestly hinderances to Cleveland if anything and add to the perception (correct or not) that the city is a festering ghetto.

I really like East Fourth and that's something that the downtown area of Columbus realistically lacks.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Buckeye614

Tower City has a ton of potential based on its prime location and unique architecture but its execution is pretty depressing. I hope the interior gets redeveloped. The Casino isn't anything to write home about either unless you enjoy watching people spending money they clearly don't have and being enveloped in cigarette smoke.

There is no smoking inside Ohio's casinos. Why are you critiquing one as you've obviously never been inside one??? However, I don't think JACK Cleveland is a great casino, but, unlike in Columbus, it IS in the heart of downtown and an easy walk from Cleveland's three pro sports venues. I don't enjoy casinos, especially slots, but having visited the casinos in both Cleveland and Columbus several times, mostly for the food, I don't perceive much difference in the functionality between them. Cleveland's casino is fitted inside an historic building, adding some charm, in comparison to the Columbus modern "big box" experience. Visitors to JACK Cleveland can take a break and walk to many restaurants, bars, and entertainment options.

Cleveland appears to have two suburban racetrack casinos compared to only one in Columbus.

https://www.cleveland.com/casino/ind...ree_years.html

Tower City's future will be interesting, but likely will be ascendant given its great physical excellence, the mushrooming downtown Cleveland population, and the likelihood of a climate change migration to the Great Lakes region in coming decades.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...lt-cities.html

E.g., in coming years, large hunks of the Terminal Tower and Landmark Office Towers likely will be converted to residential use. This already is underway in the Terminal Tower, and the Landmark Office Towers await action on the part of Sherwin Williams' eventual construction of a new office building.

https://www.novoco.com/periodicals/a...town-cleveland

http://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2017/0...ing-binge.html

Skyscraper intrigue swirls downtown

Originally Posted by Buckeye614

These are honestly hinderances to Cleveland if anything and add to the perception (correct or not) that the city is a festering ghetto.

Right, and Columbus is a sprawling cultural wasteland greatly devoid of urban amenities by comparison to Cleveland. So what does that make Columbus (correct or not)?

[Buckeye614]

Originally Posted by WRnative

There is no smoking inside Ohio's casinos. Why are you critiquing one as you've obviously never been inside one??? However, I don't think JACK Cleveland is a great casino, but, unlike in Columbus, it IS in the heart of downtown and an easy walk from Cleveland's three pro sports venues. I don't enjoy casinos, especially slots, but having visited the casinos in both Cleveland and Columbus several times, mostly for the food, I don't perceive much difference in the functionality between them. Cleveland's casino is fitted inside an historic building, adding some charm, in comparison to the Columbus modern "big box" experience. Visitors to JACK Cleveland can take a break and walk to many restaurants, bars, and entertainment options.

Cleveland appears to have two suburban racetrack casinos compared to only one in Columbus.

https://www.cleveland.com/casino/ind...ree_years.html

Tower City's future will be interesting, but likely will be ascendant given its great physical excellence, the mushrooming downtown Cleveland population, and the likelihood of a climate change migration to the Great Lakes region in coming decades.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...lt-cities.html

E.g., in coming years, large hunks of the Terminal Tower and Landmark Office Towers likely will be converted to residential use. This already is underway in the Terminal Tower, and the Landmark Office Towers await action on the part of Sherwin Williams' eventual construction of a new office building.

https://www.novoco.com/periodicals/a...town-cleveland

NEOtrans: The Cleveland skyscraper building-binge starts

Skyscraper intrigue swirls downtown



Right, and Columbus is a sprawling cultural wasteland greatly devoid of urban amenities by comparison to Cleveland. So what does that make Columbus (correct or not)?

I have been to Jack Casino multiple times as my family that lives in CLE enjoys gambling. The smoke smell comes from the patrons themselves as cigarette smoke sticks to clothing. Admittedly, I don't like casinos in general and find the Hollywood Casino in Columbus equally depressing. I agree that Jack has a much more central/convenient location which is great for people who want to gamble after a night out. However, in my experience casinos, outside of the higher end ones in Las Vegas, definitely attract a seedy crowd. The Hollywood Casino in Cbus is inconvenient and deliberately far removed from high-end areas of the Central City/areas that attract visitors from out of town. So I guess it comes down to how you feel about casinos.

I always enjoy my time in CLE and happy to see development occurring downtown since it has great bones/architecture.

[JohnDBaumgardner]

Cleveland's long winded detractors can just eat dirt! More substantiated evidence of the ongoing vitality and the increased demand for housing options in the city's already burgeoning downtown district ...

https://realestate.cleveland.com/rea...or_6800_m.html

[JohnDBaumgardner]

Public Square is one of the great places in America.

So says the American Planning Association, which on Tuesday, Sept. 25, announced 15 locations that have been added to its flagship program, Great Places in America.

https://www.planning.org/greatplaces.../publicsquare/

[Cbus76]

With all that Cleveland has going for it (as compared to Columbus), I assume their MSA population growth is blowing Columbus' out of the water?

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by Cbus76

With all that Cleveland has going for it (as compared to Columbus), I assume their MSA population growth is blowing Columbus' out of the water?

You're (unwittingly) helping his argument-by dragging out vague statistics as he talks about actual amenities. When it comes to "the three C's", every Columbus argument for inclusion begins and ends with growth stats. Once the discussion shifts outside of numbers on a page, it becomes hard to even argue that Columbus is even close to being a peer of Cleveland or Cincinnati.

Indonesia is one of the most populated countries on earth. Quick, anyone, without Googling, name some well known amenities in Indonesia that actually draw people there.