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Cleveland hasn't gained population since 1950 and had the number five highest murder rate in 2017. So yes it has a (mostly losing) NFL team, apparently a theater (newsflash people my age in their mid-twenties care about jobs and night life, not theater), and a lake where they dump raw sewage into.
The west side market is one of the crown jewels of Cleveland. A perfect metaphor, a once glorious institution crumbling and driving people away.
This is such a humorous and misinformed post. Clevelanders of ALL AGES can't get enough of the Broadway and FIRST RATE theater productions at our famed and legendary PlayHouse Square. To say otherwise is just spewing blatant and ill conceived misinformation. I am a regular patron of the theatrical arts in Cleveland and I can attest first hand that there are thousands of patrons in their twenties in attendance at these performances.
Downtown Cleveland is attracting thousands of new residents, many are in their twenties, too. Young professionals are setting the stage for Downtown's continued growth and prosperity ... A Downtown that is light years ahead of what's happening in Downtown Columbus.
Sewage in Lake Erie? Yes, but only during really ferocious storm's is there an overflow release. That's going away soon with new tunnels and a treatment facility under construction to accommodate these problems.
Obviously this POSTER hasn't spent much time near the muddy, stagnant, and putrid Scioto and Olentangy Rivers? They were literally stinking and very unhealthy waterways.
Cleveland hasn't gained population since 1950 and had the number five highest murder rate in 2017. So yes it has a (mostly losing) NFL team, apparently a theater (newsflash people my age in their mid-twenties care about jobs and night life, not theater), and a lake where they dump raw sewage into.
The west side market is one of the crown jewels of Cleveland. A perfect metaphor, a once glorious institution crumbling and driving people away.
This is such a humorous and misinformed post. Clevelanders of ALL AGES can't get enough of the Broadway and FIRST RATE theater productions at our famed and legendary Playhouse Square. To say otherwise is just spewing blatant and ill conceived misinformation. I am a regular patron of the theatrical arts in Cleveland and I can attest first hand that there are thousands of patrons in their twenties in attendance at these performances.
Downtown Cleveland is attracting thousands of new residents, many are in their twenties, too. Young professionals are setting the stage for Downtown's continued growth and prosperity ... A Downtown, btw that is light years ahead of what's happening in Downtown Columbus.
Sewage in Lake Erie? Yes, but only during really ferocious storm's is there an overflow release. That's going away soon with new tunnels and a treatment facility under construction to address these problems.
READ THIS NEWSFLASH ...
CLEVELAND - A monumental, $3 billion infrastructure project designed to capture and prevent hundreds of millions of gallons of polluted stormwater from pouring into Lake Erie received a crucial boost on Friday.
The Northeast Ohio Regional Sewer District hosted a groundbreaking ceremony for the Westerly Storage Tunnel, the fourth of seven tunnels to be constructed as part of Project Clean Lake, and the first on the city's West Side.
The Westerly will stretch for two miles beneath the Tremont, Ohio City and Detroit-Shoreway neighborhoods. Completion is expected to take about three years, and cost $135 million, with a projected opening by mid-2021.
Obviously this POSTER hasn't spent much time near the muddy, stagnant, and absolutely putrid waters of the Scioto and Olentangy Rivers? They were literally stinking and very unhealthy waterways, especially before the removal of a small dam near Downtown Columbus. To say that Columbus's waterways have been devoid of any pollution problems is blatantly disingenuous.
READ THIS ...
The nitrates that contaminated Columbus’ drinking water this week likely washed into the Scioto River from farms more than 60 miles away during heavy rainstorms more than a week ago, city officials said on Tuesday.
I've likely read all of these articles or similar articles.
Anybody who has read my posts knows that I'm disgusted by Republican politicians, from Trump to Kasich to our local Congressmen who have allowed the corporate livestock industry to mushroom in the Maumee River basin in both Ohio and Indiana and essentially allow manure to run off into the watershed and eventually Lake Erie. This is now a major issue in the governor race as Cordray has promised to attack the pollution problem aggressively if elected -- the Ohio EPA could have a major impact in Ohio if unleashed from Republican control (the federal EPA would have to intervene in Indiana, which is unlikely under Republican control).
Toxic algal blooms and high bacteria levels is not just a problem for Lake Erie. Waterways and bodies of water throughout Ohio are dealing with toxic algal blooms, most sadly and notoriously Grand Lake St. Marys.
<<An environmental group called Guardians of Grand Lake St. Marys said in a 14-page motion filed Thursday that it has “a critical story to tell the Court as an amicus in this case about the consequences for the State of Ohio’s refusal to forcefully implement the Clean Water Act....”
In its motion, it calls Grand Lake St. Marys “the poster child for toxic algae blooms,” in large part because of a dense concentration of livestock and the manure that’s produced by the animals. It claims the Grand Lake St. Marys area incurs losses of $60 million to $80 million a year from the pollution.>>
As noted in my posts, northeast Ohio increasingly is capturing all storm water and preventing sewage contamination of Lake Erie. As with the rest of Ohio, septic tank pollution still impacts rivers and flows into Lake Erie after rainfalls. Beaches downstream of major rivers may have elevated levels of bacteria for a day or two. Unlike other parts of Ohio, in the absence of rainfall, the size and high turnover rate of Lake Erie means that beaches are very safe during long summer droughts.
Rarely, after very, very heavy storm events, raw sewage mixed with storm water is released into Lake Erie. This happened a week before a major triathlon held at Edgewater Beach in Cleveland this summer. Edgewater Beach was safe again a few days later after the storm event.
The western basin of Lake Erie is a very different story. The Maumee and Sandusky River agricultural pollution results in annual toxic algal blooms. Occasionally, as happened for about a week last year, high winds will push a part of this bloom east into western Cleveland area beaches, causing the posting of toxic algal warnings.
For much of the summer, Greater Cleveland's fresh water surf beaches are safe and enjoyed by millions of visitors. Obviously, no such beaches exist in Columbus or Cincinnati.
For a few decades after the enactment of the Clean Water Act and before the invasion of the corporate ag industry into the Maumee River basin, the western basin of Lake Erie was developing a reputation as one of the nation's great recreational areas, especially for walleye fishing. Most of us know the potential for another resurgence if we elect politicians who will enforce the pollution laws aggressively.
Despite the problems in the western basin, I recently spoke with a resident about the blue gill caught there and how there were no daily limits (her son caught 60 in one outing) and how she preferred blue gill to yellow perch (strangely, I've never eaten blue gill). So the magnificence of Lake Erie is hanging in there despite the neglect of our state's Republican leadership.
Do you know that red tide toxic algal blooms have closed major beaches in western Florida, and now southeastern Florida for months this year?
Toxic algal blooms fueled by uncontrolled nutrient dumps and warming oceans and other water bodies as a result of man-made climate change (greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuel burning) are a global concern.
Trump administration efforts to weaken Clean Water regulations also should be a concern in Cincinnati.
Most Lake Erie coal-fired plants are now closed. The Avon Lake plant likely is the only major one left, and it likely will be closed within the next five years.
Most of Ohio's remaining coal generation plants appear located along the Ohio River.
Cleveland and Cuyahoga County remain much more densely populated than Columbus and Franklin County and Cincinnati and Hamilton County.
Unlike Columbus, Cleveland has NFL and MLB teams, the latter of which has reached the play-offs for three consecutive years. Only Cleveland has an NBA team in Ohio, and it has been one of the best NBA teams for four years winning one title. Columbus has Ohio's only NHL team, but the NHL lags far behind the NBA in popularity.
It's a ridiculous statement that Millennials don't like theater. In Cleveland, it's very popular among Millennials as is obvious from viewing audiences. I even know one 20-something Columbus native who subscribes to the Playhouse Square Broadway Series. Do you think "Hamilton" appealed mostly to older Americans?
Theater in Cleveland compared with Columbus is of a higher quality and is more affordable given its much larger theater subscription base and the absence of a middle man producer as Cleveland's PlayhouseSquare books national tours directly. This raises the appeal of theater among Millennials. It's also likely that Cleveland has developed its youth theater base aggressively over the years compared to most cities.
The murder rate in Cleveland is a problem, but it's largely confined to a few neighborhoods. As noted in this thread, Cleveland has a much larger downtown population than either Columbus or Cincinnati.
Raw sewage is not dumped into Lake Erie except during massive storms. The storm water capture rate in Greater Cleveland is at 80 percent on its way to 98 percent. Faulty septic systems in Greater Columbus likely are a greater source of pollution. What is the storm water capture rate in Columbus???
I've likely read all of these articles or similar articles.
Anybody who has read my posts knows that I'm disgusted by Republican politicians, from Trump to Kasich to our local Congressmen who have allowed the corporate livestock industry to mushroom in the Maumee River basin in both Ohio and Indiana and essentially allow manure to run off into the watershed and eventually Lake Erie. This is now a major issue in the governor race as Cordray has promised to attack the pollution problem aggressively if elected -- the Ohio EPA could have a major impact in Ohio if unleashed from Republican control (the federal EPA would have to intervene in Indiana, which is unlikely under Republican control).
Toxic algal blooms and high bacteria levels is not just a problem for Lake Erie. Waterways and bodies of water throughout Ohio are dealing with toxic algal blooms, most sadly and notoriously Grand Lake St. Marys.
<<An environmental group called Guardians of Grand Lake St. Marys said in a 14-page motion filed Thursday that it has “a critical story to tell the Court as an amicus in this case about the consequences for the State of Ohio’s refusal to forcefully implement the Clean Water Act....”
In its motion, it calls Grand Lake St. Marys “the poster child for toxic algae blooms,” in large part because of a dense concentration of livestock and the manure that’s produced by the animals. It claims the Grand Lake St. Marys area incurs losses of $60 million to $80 million a year from the pollution.>>
As noted in my posts, northeast Ohio increasingly is capturing all storm water and preventing sewage contamination of Lake Erie. As with the rest of Ohio, septic tank pollution still impacts rivers and flows into Lake Erie after rainfalls. Beaches downstream of major rivers may have elevated levels of bacteria for a day or two. Unlike other parts of Ohio, in the absence of rainfall, the size and high turnover rate of Lake Erie means that beaches are very safe during long summer droughts.
Rarely, after very, very heavy storm events, raw sewage mixed with storm water is released into Lake Erie. This happened a week before a major triathlon held at Edgewater Beach in Cleveland this summer. Edgewater Beach was safe again a few days later after the storm event.
The western basin of Lake Erie is a very different story. The Maumee and Sandusky River agricultural pollution results in annual toxic algal blooms. Occasionally, as happened for about a week last year, high winds will push a part of this bloom east into western Cleveland area beaches, causing the posting of toxic algal warnings.
For much of the summer, Greater Cleveland's fresh water surf beaches are safe and enjoyed by millions of visitors. Obviously, no such beaches exist in Columbus or Cincinnati.
For a few decades after the enactment of the Clean Water Act and before the invasion of the corporate ag industry into the Maumee River basin, the western basin of Lake Erie was developing a reputation as one of the nation's great recreational areas, especially for walleye fishing. Most of us know the potential for another resurgence if we elect politicians who will enforce the pollution laws aggressively.
Despite the problems in the western basin, I recently spoke with a resident about the blue gill caught there and how there were no daily limits (her son caught 60 in one outing) and how she preferred blue gill to yellow perch (strangely, I've never eaten blue gill). So the magnificence of Lake Erie is hanging in there despite the neglect of our state's Republican leadership.
Do you know that red tide toxic algal blooms have closed major beaches in western Florida, and now southeastern Florida for months this year?
Toxic algal blooms fueled by uncontrolled nutrient dumps and warming oceans and other water bodies as a result of man-made climate change (greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuel burning) are a global concern.
Trump administration efforts to weaken Clean Water regulations also should be a concern in Cincinnati.
Most Lake Erie coal-fired plants are now closed. The Avon Lake plant likely is the only major one left, and it likely will be closed within the next five years.
Most of Ohio's remaining coal generation plants appear located along the Ohio River.
Yes, Motorman, a few of us called you out for blatantly misrepresentingFACTS regarding the size and population of Downtown Cincinnati. You continued to spread these outright lies and erroneous information even after several of us provided ACCURATE INFORMATION from websites, most importantly from one that is specifically geared towards that city's downtown district.
If I were you, I'd be embarrassed to come in to these forums, knowing that you are haphazardly throwing out such obvious, even laughable information.
There are better, more productive ways to prop up your beloved city.
Such blustering as this only reveals how deeply you remain seething over the stats presented on another thread months ago, wherein I demonstrated that Cincinnati possessed Ohio's largest downtown population. However, in light of Cleveland's resurgence of downtown development, all those figures may soon change. Therefore, in the interim until updated factual information is made public, I suggest you refrain from such reckless rhetoric as evidenced above.
Basically, Cleveland is the best or something and that's all that matters because they used BOLD to assert their internet dominance.
Blah Cleveland sports are better because its Cleveland and Columbus is inferior because it only has rising Major League sports instead of the dying Major League sports.
Some more blah fluff because Cleveland is single handily making millennials love theatre because it's got youths and programs that apparently nobody else has. More blah that they can book higher quality broadway shows directly because they have no middle man (I guess nobody told them that Columbus and Cincy get the same shows... including Hamilton) and they're cheaper (probably because you can't charge as much in a declining city).
Final blah is about murder being higher, but it's in specific neighborhoods so it apparently doesn't count or something.
Basically, Cleveland is the best or something and that's all that matters because they used BOLD to assert their internet dominance.
Blah Cleveland sports are better because its Cleveland and Columbus is inferior because it only has rising Major League sports instead of the dying Major League sports.
Some more blah fluff because Cleveland is single handily making millennials love theatre because it's got youths and programs that apparently nobody else has. More blah that they can book higher quality broadway shows directly because they have no middle man (I guess nobody told them that Columbus and Cincy get the same shows... including Hamilton) and they're cheaper (probably because you can't charge as much in a declining city).
Final blah is about murder being higher, but it's in specific neighborhoods so it apparently doesn't count or something.
Yeah that about sums it up.
If you take away the Ohio state buckeyes and High street, what else would you recommend that sets Columbus apart from any other city?
If you take away the Ohio state buckeyes and High street, what else would you recommend that sets Columbus apart from any other city?
A strange question considering few cities have more than one or two things that "set them apart" from other cities unless they're Mega-cities.
So to answer your question, I'd say that Columbus could argue COSI and the Columbus Zoo are institutions that could set it apart being that both are top ranked in their respective worlds. Onc could say Columbus having the largest LGBT community sin the Midwest at around 5% could set it apart. Columbus has German Village which is one of the largest historic preservation districts in the US. Soon Columbus will ope the National Veteran's Memorial Museum which has the potential to become a notable national museum. Columbus has a Carnegie Main Library with a topiary garden designed to look like a Seurat Painting. Columbus is home to one of the top ranked Botanical Gardens and Conservatories in the US. You can at least for now say that Columbus his home to the nations first MLS team, The Crew.
I mean, you're asking a very subjective question with a strange stipulation. The reality is that most cities are painfully similar; it's the little things like OSU, North market, COSI, The Crew and Blue Jackets, and the short North that set it apart. How all of those things bleed to create a larger culture. I don't think taking away major pieces proves whatever point you're attempting to make, because the same could be done for basically every city that isn't a mega-city.
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