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Old 09-18-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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The structure of a weak governor.. strong legislature .. was original described in John Lockes South Carolina constitutions... in 1786 and 1788..as a reaction to the tyrannical colonial govenors. and while the constitution has been amended several times .. that structurein that regard has never been changed. I doubt that Locke ever considered that blacks , Indians, women and illiterates would ever be given the right to vote..... temper of those times.
SC and other Southern states significantly weakened the executive office of governor in the wake of Reconstruction; this is a fact, and it was a backlash against Black folks' exercise of their new political powers. SC's 1895 constitution was enacted under Benjamin Tillman and it enshrined the oppression of Black people into state law. Constitution of 1895 stripped blacks, poor whites of vote, still rules SC 120 years later | The State
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Old 09-18-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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I was in Columbia Thursday for the first time in months. I haven't been to the Upstate recently, but there is no question that Columbia is moving at an obviously slow pace compared to Charleston in terms of cranes on the skyline and developments on the drawing board. That is just the way it is.
Well duh, Charleston is currently the 12th fastest-growing metro area in the entire country right now so of course there will be more development down there. Columbia's development pace is above average, keeping in pace with its above average growth rate. It also should be recognized that Columbia has had just as much redevelopment of existing properties in recent years than new development, if not more. If really you want places with an "obviously slow pace," then you need to check out places like Augusta and Fayetteville.
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Old 09-18-2017, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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Comparisons are interesting.
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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Is downtown Columbia’s renaissance waning?

Columbia hotel, student housing, retail projects altered | The State

Oh here we go


The State Newspaper cant resist an attempt to uncover doom and gloom.. There is a demand limit for everything.. Once you satisfy the demand then you have to wait for the demand to increase again or scale back.. This is no more than a normal course correction.. I would rather have projects not start at all than start and sit vacant.. THAT would send a negative message to other developers/investors. As much as I like the idea of CC (minus the major public investment) it too has saturated the market with "potential" development thus causing downtown/Vista to indirectly compete with it.


On a related note.. a little birdie told me that the County is considering buying the old Jim Moore dealership on North Main for a New County Courthouse.. which would allow them to close/redevelop their current location on Main Street downtown... If true.. I wonder how that would improve or take away from what is currently happening in NOMA
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Old 09-18-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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The State Newspaper cant resist an attempt to uncover doom and gloom.. There is a demand limit for everything.. Once you satisfy the demand then you have to wait for the demand to increase again or scale back.. This is no more than a normal course correction.. I would rather have projects not start at all than start and sit vacant.. THAT would send a negative message to other developers/investors. As much as I like the idea of CC (minus the major public investment) it too has saturated the market with "potential" development thus causing downtown/Vista to indirectly compete with it.


On a related note.. a little birdie told me that the County is considering buying the old Jim Moore dealership on North Main for a New County Courthouse.. which would allow them to close/redevelop their current location on Main Street downtown... If true.. I wonder how that would improve or take away from what is currently happening in NOMA
Undoubtedly improve in my opinion. Courthouses, while only in use during business hours, bring plenty of employees and foot traffic. They do not always draw the most desirable crowd for a retail perspective, but county courthouses have plenty of non-violent civil and misdemeanor cases. More than anything, it would signal that the area is prime for development. Government offices often have that impact over a longer timeframe (i.e. 10-20 years).
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Old 09-18-2017, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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The State Newspaper cant resist an attempt to uncover doom and gloom.. There is a demand limit for everything.. Once you satisfy the demand then you have to wait for the demand to increase again or scale back.. This is no more than a normal course correction.. I would rather have projects not start at all than start and sit vacant.. THAT would send a negative message to other developers/investors. As much as I like the idea of CC (minus the major public investment) it too has saturated the market with "potential" development thus causing downtown/Vista to indirectly compete with it.


On a related note.. a little birdie told me that the County is considering buying the old Jim Moore dealership on North Main for a New County Courthouse.. which would allow them to close/redevelop their current location on Main Street downtown... If true.. I wonder how that would improve or take away from what is currently happening in NOMA
It could only help because it would bring more people to NoMa on a daily basis and remove an eyesore.
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Old 09-18-2017, 05:24 PM
 
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The State Newspaper cant resist an attempt to uncover doom and gloom.. There is a demand limit for everything.. Once you satisfy the demand then you have to wait for the demand to increase again or scale back.. This is no more than a normal course correction.. I would rather have projects not start at all than start and sit vacant.. THAT would send a negative message to other developers/investors. As much as I like the idea of CC (minus the major public investment) it too has saturated the market with "potential" development thus causing downtown/Vista to indirectly compete with it.


On a related note.. a little birdie told me that the County is considering buying the old Jim Moore dealership on North Main for a New County Courthouse.. which would allow them to close/redevelop their current location on Main Street downtown... If true.. I wonder how that would improve or take away from what is currently happening in NOMA
I hope not. The current county courthouse has not exactly contributed much to the surrounding area on Main St. The development in that area is in spite of the courthouse, not fueled by it.
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:11 PM
 
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Well duh, Charleston is currently the 12th fastest-growing metro area in the entire country right now so of course there will be more development down there. Columbia's development pace is above average, keeping in pace with its above average growth rate. It also should be recognized that Columbia has had just as much redevelopment of existing properties in recent years than new development, if not more. If really you want places with an "obviously slow pace," then you need to check out places like Augusta and Fayetteville.
Currently 5 cranes in downtown Greenville, so it's doing it's thing.
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Old 09-18-2017, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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If anyone things development is slow in Columbia, check out the 1600 block of Main Street.
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:39 AM
 
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If anyone things development is slow in Columbia, check out the 1600 block of Main Street.
Taking a longer view, over the past 2-3 years, I'd say development in Columbia has been anything but slow. Just because a few bigger projects have recently gotten scaled back or broken into phases certainly doesn't negate that fact. You also have to consider the specific circumstances surrounding the projects that have gotten scaled back or delayed.
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