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Minnesota has 72% of it's high school juniors take the ACT and the average score is 23, which is considered "college ready", unlike Illinois where only 1/4 of the kids that took the ACT scored high enough to be considered "college ready". The ACT is not required here but as you can see, almost 3/4ths of our students take the test, which isn't far behind the actual number of Illinois kids that take the ACT when you take out the exempt kids. MN also leads the nation in SAT average scores. This is why most kids here do not go to CC's--they are PAST that level of learning by the time they graduate from high school.
In comparison--if you average out the other 18% difference, assign them all very low scores of 16 and average out all of the scores, the MN "average" would still be a whole point above Illinois.
You obviously did not read what I posted from one of the links, based off of actual data
"Upon reviewing the statistics,research demonstrates that community college students tend to earn a higher GPA than students who begin their academic careers at a four-year university. For example, according to the UNLV Institutional Analysis and Planning, transfer students from community college maintain a higher GPA in comparison to first-year students. "
So your argument is that overall 4-year college students are smarter, yet have no facts to back up the statement, yet I provide information that is based on statistics showing that CC students who transfer to 4-year schools have, and maintain higher GPA's than students who did not attend a CC, which quite simply means your wrong, because if students in 4-year schools were smarter, as you state and again with no proof, then they would have the higher GPA's, and would maintain the higher GPA's.
And since you have issue with program specifics, this statistic is based on all CC students, and is not program specific.
Quote:"For example, according to the UNLV Institutional Analysis and Planning, transfer students from community college maintain a higher GPA in comparison to first-year students."
This is ridiculous. 1). If they transferred from a 2-year CC, they are two years older, and have two more years of schooling. Of course they may have an initial higher GPA than straight-out-of-high-school college freshmen.
2). If you have an 8th grader, let's throw them in a class with 10th graders, and see how they do.
3). Every 4-year university I have been to (4 of them, Cambridge MA, Palo Alto CA, Upstate NY and in Boston, all degreed) won't even accept transfer credits from any CC.
4). As a hiring manager for several Fortune-500 companies, we didn't even look at potential applicants from CC's for any professional job (perhaps maybe an administrative assistant or so would be ok), and even those from 4-year universities had to be on an 'acceptable university' list. (Remember I am just the messenger, I didn't set the rules, so don't beat me up).
3). Every 4-year university I have been to (4 of them, Cambridge MA, Palo Alto CA, Upstate NY and in Boston, all degreed) won't even accept transfer credits from any CC.
Same with my university.
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4). As a hiring manager for several Fortune-500 companies, we didn't even look at potential applicants from CC's for any professional job (perhaps maybe an administrative assistant or so would be ok), and even those from 4-year universities had to be on an 'acceptable university' list. (Remember I am just the messenger, I didn't set the rules, so don't beat me up).
These rules make sense. With an abundance of college grads, I see the university ranking becoming a larger factor in job hiring.
These rules make sense. With an abundance of college grads, I see the university ranking becoming a larger factor in job hiring.
I think it's a matter of time before universities are broken down by rank when compiling salary/job data. The person who got a degree from a tier 3 school or for profit should not be considered the same as someone who received their degree from a top 100/etc school.
Everybody has some worth
To b fair I think it's a case of lack of focus and direction
Career counselors trying to fill seats with useless courses r not helping
Personally, I am a fan of the community colleges. I was a bonehead in high school with poor grades, so I attended community college to get a fresh start. It was great. I earned a B+ average and never looked back. Earned a BS, MA, and PhD over time, and none of the teachers were any better than those guys at the community college.
So, it does provide a service that really helps people. Especially the "late bloomers" like me....
Looking back, I think the biggest eye opener for me was a half year as a day laborer at a manufacturing plant. I knew that I wanted more, and when I went back to the CC, I was plenty motivated. A lot of kids need that reality check to find their inner student. Are they the best and brightest? No, but the CC is a tremendous value to lower income citizens, and very valuable.
Why would you go to a school that doesn't have good fin. aid and scholarship options? Perhaps the school has a major you really want to pursue.
Could you provide some documentation that you can't get student loans to go to a CC that includes living expenses?
First of all he is wrong. My brother went to CC for two years due to family issues (mostly I needed him to help out with our younger sister) and he got a completely free ride plus a significant amount of aid towards living expenses. This was only about 6 yo. He then went on to a very good engineering program at a university where he also got scholarships, and need based aid.
Minnesota has 72% of it's high school juniors take the ACT and the average score is 23, which is considered "college ready", unlike Illinois where only 1/4 of the kids that took the ACT scored high enough to be considered "college ready". The ACT is not required here but as you can see, almost 3/4ths of our students take the test, which isn't far behind the actual number of Illinois kids that take the ACT when you take out the exempt kids. MN also leads the nation in SAT average scores. This is why most kids here do not go to CC's--they are PAST that level of learning by the time they graduate from high school.
In comparison--if you average out the other 18% difference, assign them all very low scores of 16 and average out all of the scores, the MN "average" would still be a whole point above Illinois.
That's some pretty fuzzy math there.
If few MN kids going to CC, why does MN have 29 community colleges?
I think it's a matter of time before universities are broken down by rank when compiling salary/job data. The person who got a degree from a tier 3 school or for profit should not be considered the same as someone who received their degree from a top 100/etc school.
And someone who got a degree from a top 100 school should not be considered the same as someone who got a degree from a good school.
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