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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.41%
Philadelphia 176 51.76%
Boston 35 10.29%
Providence 10 2.94%
Harrisburg 11 3.24%
Newark 21 6.18%
Wilmington 20 5.88%
Jersey City 18 5.29%
Voters: 340. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-12-2022, 02:58 PM
 
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Don’t forget Brockton at 45.1% and 16.2% over 150k

Basically if you can get into the Boston Area- youre likely doing well.

I know Medford that sounds accurate. It was Milton before Milton.
What makes Medford interesting is that it has a historical area where much of the black population has a long history and is generally concentrated. So, it makes me wonder what they are doing over there.

West Medford remains a jewel of African-American history: https://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu/archi...er/index.shtml

More information: https://www.medfordhistorical.org/me...rance-project/

https://www.medfordhistorical.org/me...ry-in-medford/

https://sharonkennedy.com/voicesframe.html

West Medford Community Center | 111 Arlington Street | Medford, Massachusetts 02155

Also, Everett has the highest percentage that I've seen so far. I didn't expect that.
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Old 07-12-2022, 03:08 PM
 
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Let me preface by saying that Philadelphia would be a good option for anyone of any background and that all of these cities listed here, at least the major ones as those are the ones I am most familiar with would be top notch options for an African American/Black middle class family.

That said, I'd be inclined to give Philadelphia the edge up here as your purchasing power relative to cost of expenses would take you much further there. The answer would have been Washington D.C. and the surrounding DMV area but that is not an option on the poll.
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Old 07-12-2022, 03:20 PM
 
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Let me preface by saying that Philadelphia would be a good option for anyone of any background and that all of these cities listed here, at least the major ones as those are the ones I am most familiar with would be top notch options for an African American/Black middle class family.

That said, I'd be inclined to give Philadelphia the edge up here as your purchasing power relative to cost of expenses would take you much further there. The answer would have been Washington D.C. and the surrounding DMV area but that is not an option on the poll.
i cant imagine my non-english speaking parents surviving in philadelphia without a community to help them with under-the-table-jobs, susu, documentations, radio/t.v. (information and music), foods, ...
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Old 07-12-2022, 03:37 PM
 
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i cant imagine my non-english speaking parents surviving in philadelphia without a community to help them with under-the-table-jobs, susu, documentations, radio/t.v. (information and music), foods, ...
There’s some Haitians in Philly- they’d be alright. The city doesn’t really seem to be popular with middle class black people to live but the suburbs definitely are for reasons I can see clearly. Folks still like going into the city for events and to socialize for sure. It’s a lot of fun in Philadelphia. Personally, I could live there.
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Old 07-12-2022, 03:48 PM
 
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What makes Medford interesting is that it has a historical area where much of the black population has a long history and is generally concentrated. So, it makes me wonder what they are doing over there.

West Medford remains a jewel of African-American history: https://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu/archi...er/index.shtml

More information: https://www.medfordhistorical.org/me...rance-project/

https://www.medfordhistorical.org/me...ry-in-medford/

https://sharonkennedy.com/voicesframe.html

West Medford Community Center | 111 Arlington Street | Medford, Massachusetts 02155

Also, Everett has the highest percentage that I've seen so far. I didn't expect that.
Everett really doesn’t have much poverty. It was a lower middle and working class city that has benefitted form the mega Wynn casino and rising real estate values form the city and from the casino. It’s black population is mostly middle class Haitians. The issue is that Everett is known in the Boston area for having conservative/racist/exploitative mafia leadership. It has a poor reputation on that end but people also know it is very integrated and economically equitable. There’s no rich or poor part of Everett really, not that I know of. There no black or Latino or white section. It really is pluralistic in feel that’s why the leadership there is so perplexing and so toxic/racist especially compared to some of its more progressive urban neighbors adjacent to it. They have it all sexual harassment complaint from the mayor, cou color droppings the n word on a hot mic and initially refusing to reign, racist jokes about Haitians, shakedowns of the city clerk, outright threats made during the state of the city address, a mayor who can give himself raises, a vote on the school council, extend the mayoral term, anything he wants, nearly all white leadership on every level despite being only 33% white as a city, nepotism, and a lotta whispers of the mob-most of which seem valid.

Everett has a track record of upward success for its black resident dating back to the 1980s and yea it really doesn’t have that many truly lower income black people or areas in general. Just a traditional model of urban middle class immigrants. The community, I worked there as a security guard part time was super friendly and down-to-earth. I think the immigrants (half the population) don’t vote and the older Italians are legit scared of the mayor.
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Old 07-12-2022, 05:41 PM
 
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There’s some Haitians in Philly- they’d be alright. The city doesn’t really seem to be popular with middle class black people to live but the suburbs definitely are for reasons I can see clearly. Folks still like going into the city for events and to socialize for sure. It’s a lot of fun in Philadelphia. Personally, I could live there.
Which neighborhoods could you see yourself living in?
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Old 07-12-2022, 05:52 PM
 
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Everett really doesn’t have much poverty. It was a lower middle and working class city that has benefitted form the mega Wynn casino and rising real estate values form the city and from the casino. It’s black population is mostly middle class Haitians. The issue is that Everett is known in the Boston area for having conservative/racist/exploitative mafia leadership. It has a poor reputation on that end but people also know it is very integrated and economically equitable. There’s no rich or poor part of Everett really, not that I know of. There no black or Latino or white section. It really is pluralistic in feel that’s why the leadership there is so perplexing and so toxic/racist especially compared to some of its more progressive urban neighbors adjacent to it. They have it all sexual harassment complaint from the mayor, cou color droppings the n word on a hot mic and initially refusing to reign, racist jokes about Haitians, shakedowns of the city clerk, outright threats made during the state of the city address, a mayor who can give himself raises, a vote on the school council, extend the mayoral term, anything he wants, nearly all white leadership on every level despite being only 33% white as a city, nepotism, and a lotta whispers of the mob-most of which seem valid.

Everett has a track record of upward success for its black resident dating back to the 1980s and yea it really doesn’t have that many truly lower income black people or areas in general. Just a traditional model of urban middle class immigrants. The community, I worked there as a security guard part time was super friendly and down-to-earth. I think the immigrants (half the population) don’t vote and the older Italians are legit scared of the mayor.
Interesting…Is there a possibility for more of a black middle class migration to the city? I knew about Everett from its pretty HS Football program.
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Old 07-12-2022, 06:14 PM
 
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Interesting…Is there a possibility for more of a black middle class migration to the city? I knew about Everett from its pretty HS Football program.
Yea Haitians don’t really care that much just kinda like you know local knowledge. People will still move there for the reasons listed above. There’s been a lot of attention brought to this issue by the globe but idk if it will make a difference until the Italians die off completely. Right now a lot of the city is Haitian, Central American, a and Brazilian, lots of Brazilians. The only ‘white’ people I know of in Everett are Italians in the Sylvester Stallone mold.

Everyone else black who’s not Haitian will probably leave it alone. The pattern and secret is out of the bag, black people are moving to ‘MetroSouth’. Most folks would only really want to live in Cambridge or Malden. But Karma Lounge in a Everett is that spot lol. Everett remains relatively affordable and fun because the mayor is very pro development (probably because he lines his own pockets). This gives the city a very very New Jersey/North Jersey vibe. Revere and Chelsea have that vibe too.

Black people generally prefer Boston or a suburban locale like a Stoughton.
Everett HS football is on a slight decline, they’re coach left for Catholic Memorial a few years ago. I assume he got tired of having to do his recruiting illegally. A lot of his players were from Dorchester and Mattapan.
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Old 07-12-2022, 08:33 PM
 
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I used just the city propers on the list(inc. Hartford) to show what percentage of Black households make at least $75,000 or more.

Boston-33.1%

Harrisburg-16.8%

Hartford-23.2%

Jersey City-32.2%

Newark-21.9%

NYC-35.1%

Philadelphia-22%

Providence-23.8%

Wilmington-20.5%

This is using 2020 5 year Census information, source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B


Some other city propers...

Albany-18.8%

Bridgeport-32.6%

Buffalo-15.8%

New Haven-20.4%

Paterson-31.4%

Pittsburgh-15.7%

Rochester-13.7%

Springfield-26.9%

Syracuse-14%

Worcester-28.6%

Some even smaller city propers...

Middletown NY-41.7%

Norwalk CT-37.6%

Stamford CT-35.4%

Waterbury CT-28.1%

Brockton MA-45.1%

Cambridge MA-30.6%

Elizabeth NJ-26%

Trenton NJ-23.7%

Troy NY-18.2%

Easton PA-25.9%

Pawtucket RI-32.9%

Some of this may need to be adjusted in regards to cost of living, college presence and other factors. However, this can give some idea about income for these cities.

Here are even more cities...

In PA, Allentown: 21%

Bethlehem: 29.6%

Erie: 8.7%

Reading: 29.6%

Scranton: 18.5%

Wilkes-Barre: 4.4%

York: 16.2%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...4287048&y=2020

In MA, Everett: 59.4%

Framingham: 39.1%

Lynn: 35.2%

Malden: 40.4%

Medford: 52.7% (biggest category is $150,000-199,999, about 22% of black households)

New Bedford: 25.4%

Randolph: 56.7%

Somerville: 26.5%

Taunton: 29.9%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B

In CT, Ansonia: 18%

Bristol: 38.4%

Danbury: 47.6%

Groton: 20.9%

Middletown: 29.1%

New Britain: 31.2%

New London: 19.1%

Norwich: 17.5%

West Haven: 34.7%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B

Will do more later...
Here are some more cities from NJ, Asbury Park: 21.6%

Atlantic City: 11.7%

Bridgeton: 17%

Burlington: 45.1%

Camden: 17%

East Orange: 31.4%

Englewood: 47.8%

Hackensack: 40.9%

Linden: 46.3%

Millville: 21.7%

New Brunswick: 30.3%

Plainfield: 41.2%

Rahway: 49.5%

Woodbury: 24.3%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B

In NY, Beacon: 31.8%

Binghamton: 12.8%

Elmira: 19.4%

Ithaca: 11.7%

Kingston: 25.6%

Mount Vernon: 36.2%

Newburgh: 17.5%

New Rochelle: 42.2%

Niagara Falls: 11.7%

Peekskill: 36.5%

Poughkeepsie: 24.2%

Rome: 23.1%

Schenectady: 13.8%

Utica: 13.1%

Watertown: 18%

White Plains: 44.3%

Yonkers: 42.3%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...3684000&y=2020 (A lot of cities had decent amounts of households in the $60-74,999 range)

I'll try to do some others later...
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Old 07-13-2022, 09:54 AM
 
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I used just the city propers on the list(inc. Hartford) to show what percentage of Black households make at least $75,000 or more.

Boston-33.1%

Harrisburg-16.8%

Hartford-23.2%

Jersey City-32.2%

Newark-21.9%

NYC-35.1%

Philadelphia-22%

Providence-23.8%

Wilmington-20.5%

This is using 2020 5 year Census information, source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B


Some other city propers...

Albany-18.8%

Bridgeport-32.6%

Buffalo-15.8%

New Haven-20.4%

Paterson-31.4%

Pittsburgh-15.7%

Rochester-13.7%

Springfield-26.9%

Syracuse-14%

Worcester-28.6%

Some even smaller city propers...

Middletown NY-41.7%

Norwalk CT-37.6%

Stamford CT-35.4%

Waterbury CT-28.1%

Brockton MA-45.1%

Cambridge MA-30.6%

Elizabeth NJ-26%

Trenton NJ-23.7%

Troy NY-18.2%

Easton PA-25.9%

Pawtucket RI-32.9%

Some of this may need to be adjusted in regards to cost of living, college presence and other factors. However, this can give some idea about income for these cities.

Here are even more cities...

In PA, Allentown: 21%

Bethlehem: 29.6%

Erie: 8.7%

Reading: 29.6%

Scranton: 18.5%

Wilkes-Barre: 4.4%

York: 16.2%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...4287048&y=2020

In MA, Everett: 59.4%

Framingham: 39.1%

Lynn: 35.2%

Malden: 40.4%

Medford: 52.7% (biggest category is $150,000-199,999, about 22% of black households)

New Bedford: 25.4%

Randolph: 56.7%

Somerville: 26.5%

Taunton: 29.9%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B

In CT, Ansonia: 18%

Bristol: 38.4%

Danbury: 47.6%

Groton: 20.9%

Middletown: 29.1%

New Britain: 31.2%

New London: 19.1%

Norwich: 17.5%

West Haven: 34.7%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B



Here are some more cities from NJ, Asbury Park: 21.6%

Atlantic City: 11.7%

Bridgeton: 17%

Burlington: 45.1%

Camden: 17%

East Orange: 31.4%

Englewood: 47.8%

Hackensack: 40.9%

Linden: 46.3%

Millville: 21.7%

New Brunswick: 30.3%

Plainfield: 41.2%

Rahway: 49.5%

Woodbury: 24.3%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B

In NY, Beacon: 31.8%

Binghamton: 12.8%

Elmira: 19.4%

Ithaca: 11.7%

Kingston: 25.6%

Mount Vernon: 36.2%

Newburgh: 17.5%

New Rochelle: 42.2%

Niagara Falls: 11.7%

Peekskill: 36.5%

Poughkeepsie: 24.2%

Rome: 23.1%

Schenectady: 13.8%

Utica: 13.1%

Watertown: 18%

White Plains: 44.3%

Yonkers: 42.3%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...3684000&y=2020 (A lot of cities had decent amounts of households in the $60-74,999 range)

I'll try to do some others later...
Some from RI, Central Falls: 7.6%

Cranston: 57.1%

East Providence: 36.9%

Newport: 26.7%

Warwick: 62.7% (about 22-23% of households are in the $150,000-199,999 range)

Woonsocket: 25.9%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B
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