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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.41%
Philadelphia 176 51.76%
Boston 35 10.29%
Providence 10 2.94%
Harrisburg 11 3.24%
Newark 21 6.18%
Wilmington 20 5.88%
Jersey City 18 5.29%
Voters: 340. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-08-2022, 07:16 PM
 
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A Westchester County NY Rivertown with a generally middle class black population, walkability and a long time black presence: https://www.city-data.com/forum/62971780-post538.html

https://www.walkscore.com/score/ossining.dash.ny
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Os...!4d-73.8615246

https://www.villageofossining.org/

https://ossiningsankofa.com/
https://www.lohud.com/story/life/201...-all/87519716/


A similar community across the Hudson River: https://www.city-data.com/forum/60625846-post315.html

https://voh-ny.com/

Income and poverty info: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1903
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1701
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1702

Map/walkability: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ha...!4d-73.9645837
https://www.walkscore.com/score/21-b...straw-ny-10927

An adjacent community, which has a higher black percentage: https://www.google.com/maps/place/We...!4d-73.9854177

Demographic, income and poverty info: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...NNIALPL2020.P1
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1701
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1702
https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2018.S1903 (2018 5 year info)
Another nearby community is this suburban neighborhood just outside of Peekskill in Cortlandt Manor that has had a relatively long history of a substantial black middle class:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzHD8O2XPog


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eBKZtWJ7K4

This community is mentioned in this 1976 NY Times article about middle class suburban neighborhoods that "turn" in regards to demographics. https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/31/a...-suburban.html

Recent information for the census block group for this neighborhood: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...estchester-ny/
Some 2014 5 year income information(scroll down a bit): Census Block Group 014701-3 in Westchester County, New York Income and Careers

As possibly mentioned before in this thread, but Peekskill is a small city with a substantial black population(and pretty big Hispanic population) and where the last 2 mayors have been black. https://www.cityofpeekskill.com/mayo...common-council (current)
https://www.cityofpeekskill.com/mayo...r-andre-rainey (previous)

City demographics: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...k/160-3656979/

This census block group in the city of Peekskill isn't too far from the Waterbury Manor community: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...estchester-ny/
2014 5 year income info: Census Block Group 014400-3 in Westchester County, New York Income and Careers

So, both have substantial black populations with 6 figure median household incomes that are near each other.
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Old 03-09-2022, 02:17 PM
 
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Some information in terms of the bolded section...

This is census tract 47, which covers the University District neighborhood/a small portion of University Heights(or LaSalle on Google Maps due to the rail station of the same name): https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...ct-47-erie-ny/
https://library.buffalo.edu/maps/buf...rhoods.html#ud
University Heights Collaborative

Street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9481...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9510...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9448...7i13312!8i6656

Its black poverty rate is 20.5%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1701

Its black family poverty rate is 12%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1702

Black MHHI is $46,607: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1903

Its black educational attainment is 17.1%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...0US36029004700

and it is 64.3% black alone(66.7% inc. in combo): https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...0US36029004700

It is close to the University at Buffalo South Campus and 3 Metro rail stops. Welcome to the University at Buffalo - University at Buffalo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univer...alo_Metro_Rail)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaSall...alo_Metro_Rail)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amherst_Street_station

Census tract 52.02 covers the northern portion of the Hamlin Park neighborhood/historic district: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-5202-erie-ny/
https://buffaloah.com/h/hamln/hamlin.html (includes information about the black middle class presence in the neighborhood)
https://www.facebook.com/HamlinParkHD/
https://www.hamlinparkneighborhood.org/about-us

Street views: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9244...7i13312!8i6656 (a black owned cafe: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057053996679
https://www.emteacoffeecup.com/

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9268...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9237...7i13312!8i6656

Its black poverty rate is 20.9%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1701

Its black family poverty rate is 15.1%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1702

Black MHHI is $43,229: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1903

Its black educational attainment is 26.7%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...0US36029005202 (it is/was 22.5% nationally)

and it is 58.2% black alone(61% inc. in combo): https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...NNIALPL2020.P1

It is next to Canisius College and 2 Metro Rail stops. https://www.canisius.edu/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delava...ollege_station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humbol...spital_station

So, both are close to colleges for events(D1 sports at both, lectures, etc.), some stores/shops on Main and have good access to public transit to Downtown.

A few magnet middle/high school options not too far from one or both of those neighborhoods: https://www.buffaloschools.org/ps156
https://olmstedatkensington.com/about-us/
https://www.usnews.com/education/k12...sted-156-13554
https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...sted-156-13554
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052936
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052936
This current Green Bay Packer linebacker is a graduate: https://www.packers.com/team/players...aiah-mcduffie/ (His dad is the head coach at Bennett HS, which includes this school and a couple of others in that Football program: https://buffalonews.com/sports/high-...db6ae4818.html ) Team picture: https://images.maxpreps.com/team-pho...25098400000000
https://www.maxpreps.com/high-school...l/schedule.htm

https://www.buffaloartsacademy.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffal...erforming_Arts
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052923
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052923
This actor of Law and Order fame is a graduate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_L._Martin

https://cityhonors.org/ (is arguably at times the "best public" high school in the state by some publications)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Honors_School
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052908
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052908 (percentage has dropped a bit in recent years)
Just graduated from there last year: https://owlsports.com/sports/womens-...yra-wood/14823

So, those are good options within the city not too far from those neighborhoods from grades 5-12.

Council reps for those neighborhoods, in order: Rasheed N.C. Wyatt | Buffalo, NY
Ulysees O. Wingo, Sr. | Buffalo, NY
This is another middle class neighborhood with a long history of being integrated: https://parksidebuffalo.org/
https://www.visitbuffaloniagara.com/...hood/parkside/

A quote from an article: "In the 1950s and 60s much of Buffalo’s white middle class fled the city. The purchase of a few houses by African Americans often triggered panic selling by white homeowners in a neighborhood, and rapid change in the racial composition of the population. In some cases, including the Hamlin Park Historic District, contiguous with Parkside, stable middle-class African American communities took shape.ix In others, slumlords replaced owner-residents as property owners, and deterioration proceeded rapidly. But Parkside is the most conspicuous example in the city of a neighborhood which successfully integrated. Matters came to a head in 1963. Realtors began applying the technique of ‘blockbusting’ they had perfected elsewhere in the city to Parkside, and a sense of panic began to spread. The Parkside Community Association was created in this environment. On 1 July 1963 its organizers distributed an 8-page outline, of what the group stood for, to neighbors. The text read in part:

“Integration present and future is a fact. Four Negro families presently own or occupy homes. More persons of a minority race will no doubt purchase homes in the near future. This is their right as it should be any person’s right to reside where he chooses. No one is opposed to anyone residing in our community because of race or religion.

What the group wants for this neighborhood is to make it the best possible place to live—to raise our families, to obtain an education, to grow intellectually, spiritually, and physically. We want good neighbors regardless of color. We want all to stay and continue to live where we live. We want to attract persons of all ages, religions, races, education, economic abilities, etc. to our fine community. We want to preserve the area’s residential character. We are proud of our public and parochial schools and of our well-kept houses, trees, lawns, shrubs, and yards. We like to live in the City of Buffalo…â€x

The PCA fought against the subdivision of single family homes into multiple units. It fought against unethical practices by realtors. Dick Griffin and Jack Anthony, the white activists who took the initiative in organizing the association, recruited an early African American homeowner named Frank Mesiah. He became an original board member of the PCA, and later President of the Buffalo Chapter of the NAACP. Defying the odds, Parkside has remained a stably racially integrated community for fifty years."
Source: https://www.americanbungalow.com/sta...t-in-parkside/ (Hamlin Park is currently predominantly black and still has a middle class presence. In fact, the city's current mayor lives in the neighborhood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Brown Hamlin Park is adjacent to Parkside to the south) Some more Hamlin Park information that mentions a black middle class presence going back to the 1950's/1960's: https://buffaloah.com/h/hamln/hamlin.html

Map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pa...!4d-78.8467579
Demographic info(2019 5 year info): https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-5201-erie-ny/

A nearby park(Hence the name of the neighborhood): https://www.bfloparks.org/parks/delaware-park/
https://www.google.com/maps/place/De...!4d-78.8580823

Just curious, but are there any other Northeastern cities, on the initial list or not, that have similar examples of such neighborhoods? Any suburban communities?

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Old 03-10-2022, 07:12 AM
 
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(short history of the successful effort in Buffalo to integrate Parkside, and the stability of neighboring Hamlin Park, deleted)

Just curious, but are there any other Northeastern cities, on the initial list or not, that have similar examples of such neighborhoods? Any suburban communities?
A professor of history at Kean University who grew up in it wrote a book about the first such neighborhood:

Making Good Neighbors: Civil Rights, Liberalism and Integration in Postwar Philadelphia (Cornell University Press, 2014)

The book describes how white residents of West Mount Airy in northwest Philadelphia banded together in the early 1950s to fight the practices real estate agents of the time engaged in to instill fear of Black newcomers in white residents and cause neighborhoods to flip from one race to another. (That process was underway in the east-side Kansas City neighborhood where I was born in 1958 at the same time; my parents were one of the first Black families to buy a house in it in 1954, and by 1964, the year I entered first grade, the last of the white kids I used to play with had left.)

West Mount Airy Neighbors was formed in 1954 specifically to foster integration in the neighborhood and welcome the new Black residents. The Allens Lane Art Center, a companion institution, was founded the year before as a place where Black and white residents could come together around common interests. The neighborhood organization for the neighborhood's less affluent (and by the time more heavily Black) east side, East Mount Airy Neighbors, was formed in 1966 with the same goals in mind as WMAN.

Mount Airy gained both regional and national renown for the success of its efforts to resist blockbusting, prevent white flight and foster racial integration, and the neighborhood continues to trade on its history to this day.

This article on the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia website offers a capsule history of the effort.

This Philadelphia Tribune review of Making Good Neighbors was written by a fellow journalist I've known for some time, as we both belong to and serve on the Board of Governors of the Pen & Pencil Club of Philadelphia, the nation's oldest press club in continuous daily operation (and the second-oldest in the country, period, after one in Denver). She just got re-elected to her third term as board president, the first African-American and first woman to run the club in its 125-year-plus history. I'm beginning my fourth term as Board Secretary — also the first Black to hold that position in its history.

BTW, the Tribune — founded in 1884 — is the nation's oldest Black newspaper.
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A professor of history at Kean University who grew up in it wrote a book about the first such neighborhood:

Making Good Neighbors: Civil Rights, Liberalism and Integration in Postwar Philadelphia (Cornell University Press, 2014)

The book describes how white residents of West Mount Airy in northwest Philadelphia banded together in the early 1950s to fight the practices real estate agents of the time engaged in to instill fear of Black newcomers in white residents and cause neighborhoods to flip from one race to another. (That process was underway in the east-side Kansas City neighborhood where I was born in 1958 at the same time; my parents were one of the first Black families to buy a house in it in 1954, and by 1964, the year I entered first grade, the last of the white kids I used to play with had left.)

West Mount Airy Neighbors was formed in 1954 specifically to foster integration in the neighborhood and welcome the new Black residents. The Allens Lane Art Center, a companion institution, was founded the year before as a place where Black and white residents could come together around common interests. The neighborhood organization for the neighborhood's less affluent (and by the time more heavily Black) east side, East Mount Airy Neighbors, was formed in 1966 with the same goals in mind as WMAN.

Mount Airy gained both regional and national renown for the success of its efforts to resist blockbusting, prevent white flight and foster racial integration, and the neighborhood continues to trade on its history to this day.

This article on the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia website offers a capsule history of the effort.

This Philadelphia Tribune review of Making Good Neighbors was written by a fellow journalist I've known for some time, as we both belong to and serve on the Board of Governors of the Pen & Pencil Club of Philadelphia, the nation's oldest press club in continuous daily operation (and the second-oldest in the country, period, after one in Denver). She just got re-elected to her third term as board president, the first African-American and first woman to run the club in its 125-year-plus history. I'm beginning my fourth term as Board Secretary — also the first Black to hold that position in its history.

BTW, the Tribune — founded in 1884 — is the nation's oldest Black newspaper.
I knew a bit about Mount Airy, but I wasn't sure as to when the neighborhood started to integrate/get black residents.

Didn't know that about the Tribune either.

Is that the only area of Philadelphia like this or are there others with a relatively long history of having middle class black residents/integration?

Anyone know of other neighborhoods like this in the region?
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^It looks like Rochester's 19th Ward is another example: https://19wca.org/

As mentioned before, it is a mix income, predominantly black(but diverse) area, with its outer neighborhoods(west of Thurston Road/around and south of Brooks Ave.) and Sibley Tract(around Wilson Magnet HS) having a black middle class presence. It also has a pretty strong black owned business presence as well, particularly in the Thurston Village business district: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1387...7i13312!8i6656 (starting point from the north)
https://rocwiki.org/Thurston_Village
Mentions other business districts in the neighborhood: https://www.facebook.com/thurstonbrooksarnett/
A business map: https://19wca.org/businesses-and-contractors/

Neighborhood map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/19...!4d-77.6478852
https://19wca.org/the-association/of...and-delegates/

I believe the neighborhood is about 60-65% black or so.
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Here is a Boston reference, but as probably mentioned earlier in the thread, but it has the METCO program, which allows for city kids to attend school in select suburban schools: https://metcoinc.org/
https://metcoinc.org/about/metco-history/

What made me mention this is this video from the 2nd episode of a former public broadcasting show called Black Journal on National Educational Television, a precursor of PBS(it became Tony Brown's Journal later on and they should bring the show back). Anyway, at around 16 minutes into this episode from 1968, they discuss the METCO program with scenes of Roxbury and an example of a student that attended an elementary school in Brookline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U46IIdH3qD8

So, this is an educational option for families that live in the city.
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Thinking of very urban areas for cities on the list with a black middle class, this census tract that covers Olde Uptown and the Engleton portion of Midtown in Harrisburg has a substantial black percentage: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...05-dauphin-pa/

https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...NNIALPL2020.P1 (31.5% black alone, 35.2% inc. those in combo)
It has a black median household income of $63,163: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1903
A black poverty rate of 11.2%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1701
and a black family poverty rate of 0%: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2019.S1702

Some street views, Olde Uptown: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2779...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2762...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2771...7i13312!8i6656

Engleton/Midtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2721...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2733...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2722...7i16384!8i8192
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This is another middle class neighborhood with a long history of being integrated: https://parksidebuffalo.org/
https://www.visitbuffaloniagara.com/...hood/parkside/

A quote from an article: "In the 1950s and 60s much of Buffalo’s white middle class fled the city. The purchase of a few houses by African Americans often triggered panic selling by white homeowners in a neighborhood, and rapid change in the racial composition of the population. In some cases, including the Hamlin Park Historic District, contiguous with Parkside, stable middle-class African American communities took shape.ix In others, slumlords replaced owner-residents as property owners, and deterioration proceeded rapidly. But Parkside is the most conspicuous example in the city of a neighborhood which successfully integrated. Matters came to a head in 1963. Realtors began applying the technique of ‘blockbusting’ they had perfected elsewhere in the city to Parkside, and a sense of panic began to spread. The Parkside Community Association was created in this environment. On 1 July 1963 its organizers distributed an 8-page outline, of what the group stood for, to neighbors. The text read in part:

“Integration present and future is a fact. Four Negro families presently own or occupy homes. More persons of a minority race will no doubt purchase homes in the near future. This is their right as it should be any person’s right to reside where he chooses. No one is opposed to anyone residing in our community because of race or religion.

What the group wants for this neighborhood is to make it the best possible place to live—to raise our families, to obtain an education, to grow intellectually, spiritually, and physically. We want good neighbors regardless of color. We want all to stay and continue to live where we live. We want to attract persons of all ages, religions, races, education, economic abilities, etc. to our fine community. We want to preserve the area’s residential character. We are proud of our public and parochial schools and of our well-kept houses, trees, lawns, shrubs, and yards. We like to live in the City of Buffalo…â€x

The PCA fought against the subdivision of single family homes into multiple units. It fought against unethical practices by realtors. Dick Griffin and Jack Anthony, the white activists who took the initiative in organizing the association, recruited an early African American homeowner named Frank Mesiah. He became an original board member of the PCA, and later President of the Buffalo Chapter of the NAACP. Defying the odds, Parkside has remained a stably racially integrated community for fifty years."
Source: https://www.americanbungalow.com/sta...t-in-parkside/ (Hamlin Park is currently predominantly black and still has a middle class presence. In fact, the city's current mayor lives in the neighborhood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Brown Hamlin Park is adjacent to Parkside to the south) Some more Hamlin Park information that mentions a black middle class presence going back to the 1950's/1960's: https://buffaloah.com/h/hamln/hamlin.html

Map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pa...!4d-78.8467579
Demographic info(2019 5 year info): https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-5201-erie-ny/

A nearby park(Hence the name of the neighborhood): https://www.bfloparks.org/parks/delaware-park/
https://www.google.com/maps/place/De...!4d-78.8580823

Just curious, but are there any other Northeastern cities, on the initial list or not, that have similar examples of such neighborhoods? Any suburban communities?
Here is an interesting interview with students for a Black Student Union at a Catholic high school not too far from these neighborhoods: https://www.canisiushigh.org/news/po...ple-radio-show

If you want to watch it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX5n6JjYvu4
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So, in terms of Northeastern cites it goes as such by state:

MA-Boston and Framingham

CT-Bloomfield

PA-Chester, Aliquippa, Farrell(in between Pittsburgh and Youngstown OH), Carlisle, Yeadon, Duquesne, Wilkinsburg, Braddock, Norristown(no mayor, but council president), Darby and Coatesville(city manager and council president, no mayor)

NJ-Newark, Camden, Salem, East Orange, Hillside, Plainfield, Union, Irvington, Orange, Maplewood, Montclair, Linden, Roselle, Lawnside, Atlantic City, Burlington, Glassboro and Pleasantville

NY-Buffalo, Rochester, Ithaca, Hudson, Newburgh, Mount Vernon, Peekskill and South Floral Park. Bronx and Brooklyn borough presidents are similar.

Any others I'm forgetting about?
Add Pittsburgh to the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gainey
https://pittsburghpa.gov/mayor/mayor-profile

Other updates: https://www.city-data.com/forum/62909252-post1010.html
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Here are the public transportation systems for these cities/areas...

MTA(NYC): https://new.mta.info/maps
https://new.mta.info/

NJ Transit: https://d2g63oyneaimm8.cloudfront.ne...ber%202021.pdf
https://www.njtransit.com/

SEPTA(Philadelphia): http://www.septa.org/frequency/img/2...quency-map.pdf
SEPTA | Maps & Stations
SEPTA | Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority

MBTA(Boston): https://www.mbta.com/maps
https://www.mbta.com/

RIPTA(Providence): https://www.ripta.com/statewide-system-map/
https://www.ripta.com/

CT Transit(Hartford/New Haven): https://www.cttransit.com/sites/defa...alsys_2016.pdf
https://www.cttransit.com/sites/defa...cal_system.pdf
https://www.cttransit.com/

CAT(Harrisburg): https://www.cattransit.com/schedules...chedules-maps/
https://www.cattransit.com/

DART(Wilmington): https://dartfirststate.com/RiderInfo...ps/index.shtml
https://dartfirststate.com/

Some other systems in the region...

Port Authority(Pittsburgh): https://www.portauthority.org/system-map/
https://www.portauthority.org/

NFTA(Buffalo): https://platform.remix.com/map/f0358...89&public=true
https://metro.nfta.com/legacy/metro/pdfs/145.pdf
https://www.nfta.com/

RTS(Rochester): https://www.myrts.com/Portals/0/Sche...-14-123036-410
https://www.myrts.com/Maps-Schedules.../Schedule-pdfs
https://www.myrts.com/

CDTA(Albany): https://www.cdta.org/service-map/
https://www.cdta.org/routes-and-schedules
https://www.cdta.org/

CENTRO(Syracuse/Utica-Rome): https://www.centro.org/docs/default-...rsn=1bb64a9d_6
https://www.centro.org/about-Centro/service-area
https://www.centro.org/

GBT(Bridgeport): https://gogbt.com/

WRTA(Worcester): https://www.therta.com/wp-content/up...g_2017-web.pdf
https://www.therta.com/

PVTA(Springfield): https://www.pvta.com/routeMaps.php
https://www.pvta.com/

This information can give an idea of communities/neighborhoods that offer transit/walkability within each of these areas.
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