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I mean. It’s flashier than Houston and Dallas. Or atleast as flashy. I think it all boils down to wealth. Atlanta is flashier than these three but it’s behind as well. To sustainably keep clients at many of these retailers, the demographic is pretty niche and wealth is what really drives them there.
I don't think it's flashier, but it is very wealthy. Dallas seems to have more ultra-wealth when compared to a lot of other areas.
Is it really that far fetched to say that the Miami metro has as good of upscale shopping as the L.A. metro? On that ranking posted earlier Miami had almost the same amount of high-end locations as L.A. despite being half the size. Miami also has two of the top 10 largest malls in the U.S. with one of them being really upscale. They're even trying to build another mall down there which would be the largest mall in the U.S. when built.
One thing Philadelphia (city) really needs to work on is shopping. Not much to offer these days, even in Center City. At least the food and cool sites make up for it, lol.
A bulk of the region's high-end shopping is in KoP or other nearby suburbs, similar to Scottsdale for Phoenix. From my last measure, I think Philly area is at 25 (not including multiples), which ties at #11 with Phoenix. (the previous list did not update openings in several cities).
But I don't consider any city in the Northeast outside of New York to be a "fashion center", even if there is a lot of high-end shopping.
A bulk of the region's high-end shopping is in KoP or other nearby suburbs, similar to Scottsdale for Phoenix. From my last measure, I think Philly area is at 25 (not including multiples), which ties at #11 with Phoenix. (the previous list did not update openings in several cities).
Exactly. I think the Philly area had actually been gaining a lot of traction at the high-end retail sector in the past several years (prior to COVID), especially after the opening of the KoP expansion.
But the obvious proximity to a global fashion mecca (NYC) has made attracting high-end retail I believe more of an uphill battle for the Philadelphia area historically compared to peer cities.
Even so, I think there's so much obsession with chain retail evidenced on this thread, whereas a city like Philadelphia also has a number of really fantastic local institutions serving the high-end market (Joan Shepp, Boyd's, Sophy Curson), and a plethora of smaller, locally-owned boutiques. To me, that's the kind of measure that speaks to more depth of the shopping scene.
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Sounds like Philly experiences the same thing v NYC that San Diego did with its neighbors to the north….I often had to drive up to LA or South Coast Plaza in OC to find boutiques and/or high end brands I shop that did not have a presence in SD.
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Exactly. I think the Philly area had actually been gaining a lot of traction at the high-end retail sector in the past several years (prior to COVID), especially after the opening of the KoP expansion.
But the obvious proximity to a global fashion mecca (NYC) has made attracting high-end retail I believe more of an uphill battle for the Philadelphia area historically compared to peer cities.
Even so, I think there's so much obsession with chain retail evidenced on this thread, whereas a city like Philadelphia also has a number of really fantastic local institutions serving the high-end market (Joan Shepp, Boyd's, Sophy Curson), and a plethora of smaller, locally-owned boutiques. To me, that's the kind of measure that speaks to more depth of the shopping scene.
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Sounds like Philly experiences the same thing v NYC that San Diego did with its neighbors to the north….I often had to drive up to LA or South Coast Plaza in OC to find boutiques and/or high end brands I shop that did not have a presence in SD.
Yep, that makes perfect sense--the SD-LA analogy is definitely a good one.
Yep, that makes perfect sense--the SD-LA analogy is definitely a good one.
To a much lesser degree, Houston and Dallas being close to each other and both being magnets for these make them miss out on a potential. Such as Dallas with Moncler and Houston with Alexander McQueen etc.
Being totally honest places like ATL SF BOS Chicago are much different in this regard than a place like Baltimore Denver or Pittsburgh, there is a big gap in between how people dress to go out, access/location of quality retail, variety of retail, and prices of clothes. It's definitely worth note. Its not "everything else".
Never mind the difference in fine dining outlets.
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