Pittsburgh vs Charlotte vs Nashville vs Indianapolis (highest, pros, moving)
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Only 2 of 81 voters thus far selected Indianapolis. I harbor disdain for Indiana in general for not apologizing for Mike Pence (at least we in PA tarred and feathered Rick Santorum out of office years ago), but otherwise is Indianapolis really that bad? It seems like it has a great highway system; isn't far from Chicago; has a decent economy; and is growing rapidly in population. Why so few votes? The high crime? The urban sprawl? The scenery?
It's not bad, but what does it have to distinguish it from other Midwest metros like St. Louis, Columbus, and Kansas City? None of these places have great scenery, great weather, etc. They all run together. They're all average.
Yes, the economy is good and the cost of living is low. It's one of your better values for your urban dollar in the country, if you look at things purely by the numbers.
Is coming into the metro from I-70 either west or eastbound much different than 74? No. 69 going into Marion County is obviously suburban/urban, same with 65 northbound before the split. How are places like Wayne Township faring? Is it growing in terms of absolute numbers of people? Probably. Is Wayne Township vibrant? No.
Most of the growth and vibrancy is in Center and Washington townships.
You can't separate the city and county under Unigov. Outside of the independent cities in Marion County, they are the same by definition.
For starter you don't have cornfields leading to the city from all directions so yes there is a difference. Also you clearly stated that Indy's core is declining which is a flatout lie. In 2010 Indy's population was reported to be 820,445 and in 2015 it was estimated to be 853,173. That is a growth rate of about 4.0% Marion County on the other hand population in 2010 was reported to be 903,393 and in 2015 estimated to be 939,020. That is a growth rate of about 3.9%.
Both the county and city are growing at roughly the same rate. IMO 4.0 growth rate during a 5-year period isn't a decline which is what you CLEARLY stated in your previous post. Also, singling out Wayne County as proof that Indy's population is in decline is a false equivalence. Next you will bring up the extinct communities of Brightwood and Clifford Park as further proof of a steady decline. But then again maybe you wouldn't because that was before your times and only native Hoosiers who grow up during that time period can recall those days.
Here's a map of Marion County. All of the areas in white are part of the consolidated city county. Only the areas in blue are not.
Center Township is a fairly close analogue to the old, unconsolidated Indianapolis (altough pre-Unigov Indianapolis was a bit bigger). In 1950 it had 337,000 people. In 2010 it had less than 143,000. That's a population decline of roughly 58% in the old urban core. There does seem to be slight population growth again this decade, but the population trajectory of the core of Indianapolis isn't any different from the city of Pittsburgh.
For starter you don't have cornfields leading to the city from all directions so yes there is a difference. Also you clearly stated that Indy's core is declining which is a flatout lie. In 2010 Indy's population was reported to be 820,445 and in 2015 it was estimated to be 853,173. That is a growth rate of about 4.0% Marion County on the other hand population in 2010 was reported to be 903,393 and in 2015 estimated to be 939,020. That is a growth rate of about 3.9%.
Both the county and city are growing at roughly the same rate. IMO 4.0 growth rate during a 5-year period isn't a decline which is what you CLEARLY stated in your previous post. Also, singling out Wayne County as proof that Indy's population is in decline is a false equivalence. Next you will bring up the extinct communities of Brightwood and Clifford Park as further proof of a steady decline. But then again maybe you wouldn't because that was before your times and only native Hoosiers who grow up during that time period can recall those days.
Sorry if the "core" reference was inaccurate.
Basically what I was getting at is when you're driving toward downtown on 70, especially going westbound, you are seeing a lot of rundown houses, abandoned properties, etc. Same thing when you get past 38th on most of the north-south streets - you go from areas that are decent to bad FAST. Much of the west side feels largely vacant. Is there honestly a lot of action out toward the airpoint other than shipping centers?
I'm sure there are exceptions in certain areas, but it feels like the majority of growth in the city is in Washington and Center townships. Are the others numerically declining in population? I don't know - and frankly, I don't think it really matters. Many of the outlying township areas are heavily suburban in nature and have long since been eclipsed in prestige and influence by nearby suburbs.
Here's a map of Marion County. All of the areas in white are part of the consolidated city county. Only the areas in blue are not.
Center Township is a fairly close analogue to the old, unconsolidated Indianapolis (altough pre-Unigov Indianapolis was a bit bigger). In 1950 it had 337,000 people. In 2010 it had less than 143,000. That's a population decline of roughly 58% in the old urban core. There does seem to be slight population growth again this decade, but the population trajectory of the core of Indianapolis isn't any different from the city of Pittsburgh.
Center Township is only part of what was originally old Indianapolis.
Population decline is widespread inside inner Indianapolis.
Virtually the entire pre-Unigov area of Indianapolis is in decline.
Aren't you being a little over the top? The decline on the near eastside and westside of town. My question is what does that have to do with the overall growth of the city? I gather you know very little about the city other than google.
Aren't you being a little over the top? The decline on the near eastside and westside of town. My question is what does that have to do with the overall growth of the city? I gather you know very little about the city other than google.
The city may be growing but large parts of the pre unigov aren't. That's the "core" of the city. Frankly, I'm really surprised that those far NW side areas are growing.
The city may be growing but large parts of the pre unigov aren't. That's the "core" of the city. Frankly, I'm really surprised that those far NW side areas are growing.
And the map shows clearly shows that. The city will be alright, it just needs more resources to fight crime, and more investment in removing the blighted areas. Indianapolis appears to have centralized growth, like Cincinnati, and some other Midwestern cities. The continued focus on downtown will be a great thing. It is far from a trendy or popular city, but the efforts have not gone unnoticed. The major issue for Indianapolis other than crime is competition from regional/extra-regional cities.
And the map shows clearly shows that. The city will be alright, it just needs more resources to fight crime, and more investment in removing the blighted areas. Indianapolis appears to have centralized growth, like Cincinnati, and some other Midwestern cities. The continued focus on downtown will be a great thing. It is far from a trendy or popular city, but the efforts have not gone unnoticed. The major issue for Indianapolis other than crime is competition from regional/extra-regional cities.
I think a lot of these issues it really has no control over. Lakes, beaches, and mountains aren't going to magically spring up. The climate isn't going to get any better. It should focus on remaining inexpensive and reducing crime.
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