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Pine to Vine raised a good point, though, about transportation links. While we have data about overall Amtrak, commuter rail and bus ridership, does anyone have specific breakdowns of actually traveled routes? Not a list of busiest stations or overall ridership numbers, but something specific between two points, like say Northeast Regional ridership between Philadelphia and New York City?
Which reminds me: those 18 daily MegaBuses and 20 daily BoltBuses I referenced a few posts back are only going in one direction. An equal number return.
It seems hard to find many non-stops between SF and SJ.
Just voted. For SF, btw. I note some phantom account copying my name also voted for SF. Wonder how many more phantoms? Not the first time I've seen padded polls.
Which reminds me: those 18 daily MegaBuses and 20 daily BoltBuses I referenced a few posts back are only going in one direction. An equal number return.
It seems hard to find many non-stops between SF and SJ.
Haha thats because they are two neighboring but separate msas each with 5M+ people.
And why would there be flights btwn SFO and SJC? They are only 34 miles apart.
Haha thats because they are two neighboring but separate msas each with 5M+ people.
And why would there be flights btwn SFO and SJC? They are only 34 miles apart.
It's not about the existence flights. It's the fact that a large number of people are using them to go between the two cities. So let's see, people transit non-stop between PHL and NYC via airplane, train, BoltBus/MegaBus, and car because the demand is strong enough to warrant it. People transit nonstop between SF and SJ exactly how?
It'll be great when Caltrain goes up to the Transbay Transit Center (2017) and BART goes down to downtown San Jose (2025 projected) that San Jose and San Francisco become part of the same MSA so fewer people keep on insisting on splitting the two.
Maybe by that latter point, Boston will have made the north-south station commuter rail link, be able to run many more cars as a S-Bahn type of service, extend the line and draw in Providence and Manchester as part of the MSA. But probably not.
Thanks for the graphic. Illustrated what I've been rambling on about perfectly.
The graphic, though, is a bit misleading. I don't disagree with the conclusion, but the topographic features of the Bay Area forces suburbia into narrow corridors, while there are no such corridors in the Northeast.
The end result is that the Bay Area is functionally similar to the various CSAs along the Northeast corridor, though suburban density is slightly higher, owing to Sunbelt style sprawl and the mountains hemming it in.
Oh, I agree with you that there is definitely cohesion in our region. It's just not at all as physically connected from a development standpoint as the Bay Area, though you make a good point about the transportation links. I don't think that's enough to argue that BosWash functions as one big unit, certainly not to the degree of the Bay, especially since all of the Big 5 cities are quite distinct culturally. But we're all linked, for sure.
Between around Hartford and Wilmington or so is as cohesive as the Bay Area. But the entire Northeast Corridor certainly isn't. There are gaps between Philly and Baltimore and particularly between Hartford and Boston.
But the core 200 miles or so, yeah I think it can be compared. Hartford to Wilmington has no break.
The graphic, though, is a bit misleading. I don't disagree with the conclusion, but the topographic features of the Bay Area forces suburbia into narrow corridors, while there are no such corridors in the Northeast.
The end result is that the Bay Area is functionally similar to the various CSAs along the Northeast corridor, though suburban density is slightly higher, owing to Sunbelt style sprawl and the mountains hemming it in.
Yea, topography and land use laws force things to happen. That's just a fact of life. I think the core areas centered around SF, SJ, and Oakland are very connected and they will be even more so in the very short run as transit projects are completed and the area continues to experience strong population growth rates. It was a hell of a hassle to do a mid-day haul from SF to SJ though (which I had to do last month).
Anyone know if the Transbay Transit Center will include greater off-peak frequencies?
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