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Okay, so let's say that we accept that. So we have a metro area full of southern-influenced black people who are surrounded by Jews and Italians from New York/New Jersey/Pennsylvania in a region that's been completely carved out of the Southern American English boundary? That sounds like Northern Virginia only replace the Jews and Italians with a WASPier population.
The thing about linguistics studies is that they sample more than white people. So if the area no longer falls within the southern dialect zone, then that must mean that there are enough people to officially qualify the dialect as "un-southern." To my knowledge, this has only really happened in Maryland, Northern Virginia and a large part of Florida.
In Texas, the only parts of the state that don't fall within that boundary are the Panhadle and South Texas, accounting for a small percentage of the state's population.
I'll give you that. The White population in South Florida, is more transplant dominated, than anything you'd find anywhere else in the South. I've admitted this. But the Southern Black population, is too prominent for anyone to ignore. I feel the White population in Texas, gives it the slight edge. All things considered, the Native Black population between both states seem almost equally Southern, including certain West Indian groups, like Bahamians. Considering how long Bahamians have been migrating to South Florida, there is more Southern cultural dilution of original Bahamian culture, than vice-versa in South Florida. The Hispanic communities between both, are split between Republican-voting Hispanics(Tejanos in rural Texas, Cubans in Florida) and more Democrat-voting Hispanics(Tejanos in urban Texas, and South/West Texas, and Puerto-Ricans in Florida), and all other demographics in both states, just kinda float around their specific cultures. Texas, once again, get's the edge as far as which state is more "Southern". Still don't see how it's leaps and bounds more Southern.
"Transplant" doesn't always mean a liberal Democrat from New Jersey or Ohio.
^^^^In a way, I could just cite this as a reason why Texas is still as Conservative as it is, instead of the reasoning that Texas is Conservative because it's "immersed in Southern culture". In a way, one can say that the overall voting patterns, and culture that is still prominent in Texas, has just as much to do with Conservative Northern and Western transplants moving to Texas, as Florida going Blue has to do with Northeastern transplants to the state. So current voting patterns in Texas might have nothing to do with "Southern" culture per se. People going Red or Blue has nothing to do with regional affiliation. Or maybe Texans are more socially Conservative, while California Conservative transplants are just more fiscally Conservative, and wouldn't social issues that Texans would mind.
It's not a matter of opinion of something subjective. It's a fact.
You have your facts wrong. South Calif. was settled by southerners that wanted to join the confederacy but North Calif. was foremost authority and didn't let South Calif., AZ, nm split from union control. AZ is full of conservative descendants of the southerners that pilgrimaged to LA, Bakersfield, Fresno, etc.
Go spread your gospel. Only areas that never were southern were Northeast, PNW, North Calif., Hawaii, Alaska, maybe Florida.
Anti-Castro Cubans in Miami, and throughout South Florida have consistently been the largest Republican-voting Hispanic block in the nation. Not saying Miami is a conservative city(far from it) but just needed to throw that in there.
are dying out! Miami voted for Obama TWICE and most young Cuban-Americans are Liberals.
Oh and to Well Ton" We Floridians are not " Southerners"!
^ Yea but by the time texas leaves the south the south will only be Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Kentucky, Louisiana, Arkansas, WV, Nebraska, Wyoming, etc
All the cool areas already left the south dc, Va, md, fl, ga, ok, AZ, nm, mo
I guess texas isn't cool after all ;(
Did this dude just say Nebraska, Wyoming, Arizona, New Mexico and Missouri were southern? Stop it, you just lost your privilege to speak openly on the internet.
You have your facts wrong. South Calif. was settled by southerners that wanted to join the confederacy but North Calif. was foremost authority and didn't let South Calif., AZ, nm split from union control. AZ is full of conservative descendants of the southerners that pilgrimaged to LA, Bakersfield, Fresno, etc.
Go spread your gospel. Only areas that never were southern were Northeast, PNW, North Calif., Hawaii, Alaska, maybe Florida.
I'm not saying there weren't any Southerners in the West but to say they were the majority and shaped the culture is completely false. Arizona is fairly conservative because it was settled by conservative Midwesterners and Mormons. It has nothing to do with any link to the South. The Midwest, upper Midwest, and even the east had much more influence in shaping Arizona than the south did. Not even close.
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