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Philadelphia 120 45.28%
Boston 99 37.36%
DC 46 17.36%
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I see you won't give up. Omg you're so right. Construction workers and developers are flocking to DC. It is clearly the place to be 50% are under construction 50% proposed or in the final planning stages.

And if I included all residential rowhomes and projects Philadelphia would be at least 500, for just row homes.
Judging by our growth rate, you would be right!
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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LOL couple things...

-Are you really listing parking garages?

-You don't want to compete in Office Building construction believe me!

-Why are you listing Science Buildings etc?

-I have already seen the plan for the Delaware redevelopment on the waterfront. What I have not seen is a timeline for construction. Do you happen to have that? They don't have funding last time I checked.
Development has already begun. It is being phased out and it has actually won numerous awards and grants. They are in the process of acquiring most of the land right now. Parks will be constructed first then buildings. And I didn't list all the parks.

Race Street Pier (Park) was completed.
They are constructing "connectors" which will connect the waterfront to the rest of the city under I-95
They are also reconstruction another pier which slips my mind at the moment
And they are building an entertainment venue on race street as we speak (well not at midnight but you get the idea)
The rest will be phased out. New streets need to be paved, developers need to be chosen, development needs to be spurred.

As for office buildings we have a 500 footer proposed, a 500 footer planned (mixed use but some office components), a 400 footer planned and if Liberty Property Trust and Comcast stick with the original plan it will be a super tall likely around the original plan of 1,500 feet. If it is not this height it will likely be reduced to around 800 feet. We'll see
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:34 PM
 
Location: MIA/DC
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Are there any estimates of how much the DC metropolis is growing by each year?
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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All well and good but you do realize U City has an already vastly more dense residential aspect (even after all this constrcution is completed) as well as an already existing subway (both have) and light rail lines lines right?

You post stuff that is trying to catch up not surpassing in the urban aspects
You might want to refer back to your little friends first posts when I clearly told him he was barking up the wrong tree when he claimed Philadelphia had more construction going on and future plans than D.C. did. Everyone with any knowledge of development knows D.C. is in a league of it's own right now. I told you to stop him....
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Are there any estimates of how much the DC metropolis is growing by each year?
D.C. proper alone added 16,000 people last year. The region population growth has not been calculated yet but it is probably close to 150,000-200,000 people.
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:39 PM
 
Location: The City
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That still isn't even 10% of what is going on D.C. I didn't even list parks, office buildings, or hotels like you tried to do LOL.... You need to give it up. I listed over 200 different residential projects without even including office projects, hotels, or parks etc. etc. I will say that again, I listed over 200 residential buildings moving forward. You need to give it up. On a side note, I don't think any city is building as many rowhouse developments as D.C. EYA is booming in D.C. proper. Our region is also the king of New Urbanism which spread across our suburbs more than any region in the nation. I would wager Tyson's Corner alone will have more projects under construction next year than Philadelphia which I have not even included in all this!


P.S......So, how many of those Philly projects are under construction? D.C.'s are actually getting built.

Am pretty sure not as many as in DC honestly

Though fact does remain even with all this completed DC is still much less dense from a residential prospective.

Currently there are about 4.6 million sq feet of commercial under construction (2.8 in U City on the CC border) and 5,200 residential units under construction with 3 additional hi rises and 3,400 units expected to break ground by 3Q. Also 3 hotels under construction and two new museums in Center City. Not bad but probably not as much as in DC. Though again while impressive even with all the residential and street vibrancy still will be below what already exists in Philly, Though new development is not bad. And please go ahead and explain how Arlington is some comparable (regardless of how many mindless apts go up) in terms of urban areas to U City; that one is tuly laughable


MD a question for you and will quote if need be but earlier in the thread u said once beyond 8 ft with 0 whatever zoning/development it doesnt matter

So to that; are all the row homes you po pooh more than 8 feet tall and are they built with 0 ehatever zoning/development seems a little contrary to other points you have made but will give you the opportunity to change your postion and words as you always do.


A walk through U City (Obviously not close to Center City but)


Philadelphia 36th-Market-Tech Blvd - University City - YouTube
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:41 PM
 
Location: MIA/DC
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D.C. proper alone added 16,000 people last year. The region population growth has not been calculated yet but it is probably close to 150,000-200,000 people.
The district is impressive but small although it wont be seeing big raw growth but after losing population for 50 years its sweet not sour so I'll take it . However I have more interest in the region growth, the metro was already on the heels of Philly and Houston I think down by 400K. Where did you read the metro is growing by 150-200K each year? Thats insane growth
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Development has already begun. It is being phased out and it has actually won numerous awards and grants. They are in the process of acquiring most of the land right now. Parks will be constructed first then buildings. And I didn't list all the parks.

Race Street Pier (Park) was completed.
They are constructing "connectors" which will connect the waterfront to the rest of the city under I-95
They are also reconstruction another pier which slips my mind at the moment
And they are building an entertainment venue on race street as we speak (well not at midnight but you get the idea)
The rest will be phased out. New streets need to be paved, developers need to be chosen, development needs to be spurred.

As for office buildings we have a 500 footer proposed, a 500 footer planned (mixed use but some office components), a 400 footer planned and if Liberty Property Trust and Comcast stick with the original plan it will be a super tall likely around the original plan of 1,500 feet. If it is not this height it will likely be reduced to around 800 feet. We'll see
Trust me, with your office vacancy rate in your already tiny office market, I would not bring up office buildings. We have two 400 footers going up right now in Rosslyn just to name a few across our region! You have literally brought a knife to a gun fight. Even if every project planned for Philadelphia was listed, it would not come anywhere near what is happening in D.C. FACT!
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:45 PM
 
Location: The City
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The district is impressive but small although it wont be seeing big raw growth but after losing population for 50 years its sweet not sour so I'll take it . However I have more interest in the region growth, the metro was already on the heels of Philly and Houston. Where did you read the metro is growing by 150-200K each year? Thats insane growth

DCs best years in the last decade were at about 110-120K 150-200K seems highly speculative in recent years quite honestly and would be like 70% above the rates of Houston and DFW in absolutes. Seems very suspicious to me
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:48 PM
 
Location: MIA/DC
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DCs best years in the last decade were at about 110-120K 150-200K seems highly speculative in recent years quite honestly and would be like 70% above the rates of Houston and DFW in absolutes. Seems very suspicious to me
I suspect it as well, DC is growing fast and its very noticeable but I dont think we are in the same tier as Houston and Dallas for growth. I do however think we are outpacing Atlanta at the moment and 80-110K/year fits DC's profile more than 150-200K which is unbelievable growth only surpassed in raw numbers by NY, LA, and Chicago in their heydays IMO
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