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I always knew that critical thinking course in college would pay off some day! For some odd reason, there were no religious fundamentalists in the class
critical thinking is an oxymoron "in college". Universities do not teach logic anymore just liberal doctrine dribble which I fell for hook lined and sinker. I had to graduate in order to learn how to think.
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Porn (and I don't have any time to partake, FYI) doesn't blacken your lungs and give you cancer. I suspect that 99% of men who look at porn don't have some issue with it that causes problems in their lives, other than if they have a prude for a wife who has no understanding of the male mind.
Ted Bundy ring a bell?
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Lol....didn't realize Fundamentalist already posted a link.
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critical thinking is an oxymoron "in college". Universities do not teach logic anymore just liberal doctrine dribble which I fell for hook lined and sinker. I had to graduate in order to learn how to think.
Please. Seriously.
You want some kool-aid drinkers, go to the atheist forum. They don't know the first clue about thinking logically or critically. They're scared to question their pre-conceived ideas.
Let us all pray to God in honor of those who risked and gave their lives to create a nation free of religious control that our government is NOT witnessing to Jesus. Our founding fathers created a secular nation in which people were free to follow any religion or lack thereof of their choosing. One need only look at the corrupt dominance of Christianity in European governance before our founders fled that oppression and Europeans shunned religion in favor of Agnosticism.
I know enough about Biblical history and how texts have been added, taken out, voted upon by greedy men, and altered to know we cannot trust the Bible as a source of Christ's teachings. Church fathers as early as the first century were complaining about how much scribes and translators were rewriting the original inspired texts.
So then where does that leave us? In a nation in which each individual has the freedom to tap into that God-source within themselves in whichever spiritual tradition suits said individual, for Christ never demanded worship. He simply demonstrated what we are capable of becoming.
In that sense, God cannot abandon the United States nor can the United States abandon God. God simply is, and each individual pursuing his or her path - no matter how far it may seem from "righteous" and "moral" - is manifesting the freedom ensured by our Constitution to pursue his or her personal path in God in whatever way that individual sees fit.
That is the brilliance of the U.S. governance and why the essence of God permeates even as we as a global society fall into useless wars, material consumption, obesity, destruction of natural resources, and all the other tenets that destroyed the Roman empire.
Matthew 10:33"
But whoever denies me before people, I will deny him also before my Father in heaven."
This is the command of Jesus to believers, who are to worship , love, adore, and seek Him with all their heart and soul. We cannot serve two masters.
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If over 95% (and that's being conservative) of men look at porn, you could make the same case for teachers, cops, 7-11 clerks, arsonists, professional baseball players, armed robbers - what's your point? Porn doesn't cause serial killers. Serial killers are screwed up in the head to start with, or they wouldn't be serial killers. Maybe they were obsessed with porn because they're nutty! I've looked at plenty of porn in my day, and it's not an obsession, nor does it cause any issues in my life. Sounds like some James Dobson "fact" used to try and enforce his personal moral code.
What is pornography replacing? "if it offends thy eye..." is porno a character defect? is it a sin? God's will not my opinion be done. Man's rationalization makes all sin seem OK, but God's law does not change. I am accountable to God, not myself, governments or people.
Can you explain to me how we are turning back to Christian values, when as a nation we have elected a president who supports all forms of Abortion? President Bush was the only president in history to sign a bill that would end all late term abortions. Presisdent Obama will keep the abortion mills open, and he will support judges who will support the killing of unborn children. Obama even voted three times for a law that would withhold medical treatment for a child who survives an abortion. What kind of Christian values are you talking about?
How is it that your sect of Christianity reduces a vast religion down to one hot-button political issue? abortion, abortion, abortion.
What was it Jesus said about abortion, anyway....? Oh, that's right. NOTHING. Even if we banned abortion, it will not go away. It will go underground. We must address it at the individual and cultural level while ensuring our government ensures it is carried out safely and effectively until we eliminate demand for it. Same with war. We can't simply ban war, but we can build a society that has no demand for it.
Your church leaders focus on abortion and homosexuality because they know how to prey on fear in order to bring money in. I have heard several admit this. They then ignore all the other teachings of Christianity that liberals uphold - from the over 2,000 mentions of helping the poor to pursuing peace to being stewards of the land - and focus on one issue that pays their bills and Jesus never mentioned.
To your larger point, only if Jesus endorsed murder, lying, cheating, stealing, and manipulating scientific data proving man-made climate change to justify not being stewards of the Earth could you EVER defend the Bush administration as Christian.
Bush was a very troubled alcoholic who turned to fundamentalism for stability (as many do). He was not, however, enacting anything close to what Christ taught.
Thankfully, we have emerged from the darkness of many of our sins by electing Obama - the sin of institutionalizing poverty, false wars, hidden agendas... It's not perfect, but we are realigned again with Christian values, and that is something for which we should all be proud.
You may know a lot about history, yet I don't believe you know very much about the Bible. And if the Bible cannot be trusted as a source of information, can you explain to me why it's endtime prophecies are true?
I don't doubt we're in the "end times" of an era. Many cultures throughout history have predicted such - just look at the Mayan calendar.
Your literal belief in the Bible sees it as the end of civilization rather than simply the end of an era. We will not use the Bible in the next era. We are evolving beyond those structures into a more complete understanding of God. Perhaps that is the "rapture" in which you believe - the removal of fundamentalism. The thousand years of peace your book predicts will be a beautiful blessing, not a torment avoided only by those who worship a certain messiah.
Lol....didn't realize Fundamentalist already posted a link.
Please. Seriously.
You want some kool-aid drinkers, go to the atheist forum. They don't know the first clue about thinking logically or critically. They're scared to question their pre-conceived ideas.
LOL.....Oh I know. I still love how they are not ready to test their hypothesis of social Darwinism in their daily lives.
"Can you explain to me how we are turning back to Christian values, when as a nation we have elected a president who supports all forms of Abortion? President Bush was the only president in history to sign a bill that would end all late term abortions. Presisdent Obama will keep the abortion mills open, and he will support judges who will support the killing of unborn children. Obama even voted three times for a law that would withhold medical treatment for a child who survives an abortion. What kind of Christian values are you talking about?"
I believe that there are A LOT more Christian issues than just abortion, and nothing is as simple as it would appear. Was leading a nation into a war based on lies and deception a demonstration of Christian values? Hundreds of thousands of people died as a result. Was leaking information about the identity of one of you own CIA operatives as political payback for what her husband did demonstrating Christian values? Many would call it treason. Is the willful disregard of the Geneva Conventions and encouraging torture a Christian value?
Even Clinton (who was a slimeball in his personal life) was more moral and demonstrated more Christian values while in office than "W" did.
Well if the slaughter of 50 million American children is not as important as the reason we went to war in Iraq, then it appers we have a difference of opinion. It appears you are more worried about Iraq being freed from a vicious dictator, then you are about the millions of children being murdered by our own people. Your kind of Christian values places more value on politics, then the basic freedoms of others, and human life. Your more worried about CIA operatives, while our nation murders it's own children by the millions.
Clinton refused to end lateterm abortions, he supported a doctors right to insert a sharp instrument into the neck of a 9 month old child still not delivered from the womb, which allowed doctors to then suck out the babies brain so they could kill it. Bush ended this barbaric pratice. And you say Clinton was a more moral man? Only evil men would support such a pratice, and only a man who tried to do the right thing, would end it.
It appears to me, you really need to consider your priorities. Which is more important to you? Trying to save the lives of millions of children, or the reason America went to war in Iraq?
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