God has abandoned the U.S. (scrutiny, doctrine, Darwin, gnostic)
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Would it be any better if James Dobson was crowned our 'king' and the Baptist church instated as the ruling authority of America? Is that what you want?
Sorry, but its my firm belief that separation of church and state protects the Christian even more than it does the Atheist. The founders believed this, it was only during the red scare of the 1950s that we started trying to fuse religion and government in order to 'out-God' the communists.
Would it be any better if James Dobson was crowned our 'king' and the Baptist church instated as the ruling authority of America? Is that what you want?
Sorry, but its my firm belief that separation of church and state protects the Christian even more than it does the Atheist. The founders believed this, it was only during the red scare of the 1950s that we started trying to fuse religion and government in order to 'out-God' the communists.
Head on up to the religion forum. I posted a thread asking which is worse? Smoking? Or Pornography.
The fact that most people seem to be saying smoking is more immoral than porn is very telling. 50 years people would be ashamed to be caught watching the stuff, but a lot of people smoked. I'm not saying either is good....but it's just that we've now done a 180 on it.
Would it be any better if James Dobson was crowned our 'king' and the Baptist church instated as the ruling authority of America? Is that what you want?
Sorry, but its my firm belief that separation of church and state protects the Christian even more than it does the Atheist. The founders believed this, it was only during the red scare of the 1950s that we started trying to fuse religion and government in order to 'out-God' the communists.
That's if it was correctly interpreted, the way Thomas Jefferson meant but it was twisted and mangled by the atheists themselves.
"Can you explain to me how we are turning back to Christian values, when as a nation we have elected a president who supports all forms of Abortion? President Bush was the only president in history to sign a bill that would end all late term abortions. Presisdent Obama will keep the abortion mills open, and he will support judges who will support the killing of unborn children. Obama even voted three times for a law that would withhold medical treatment for a child who survives an abortion. What kind of Christian values are you talking about?"
I believe that there are A LOT more Christian issues than just abortion, and nothing is as simple as it would appear. Was leading a nation into a war based on lies and deception a demonstration of Christian values? Hundreds of thousands of people died as a result. Was leaking information about the identity of one of you own CIA operatives as political payback for what her husband did demonstrating Christian values? Many would call it treason. Is the willful disregard of the Geneva Conventions and encouraging torture a Christian value?
Even Clinton (who was a slimeball in his personal life) was more moral and demonstrated more Christian values while in office than "W" did.
Head on up to the religion forum. I posted a thread asking which is worse? Smoking? Or Pornography.
The fact that most people seem to be saying smoking is more immoral than porn is very telling. 50 years people would be ashamed to be caught watching the stuff, but a lot of people smoked. I'm not saying either is good....but it's just that we've now done a 180 on it.
Porn (and I don't have any time to partake, FYI) doesn't blacken your lungs and give you cancer. I suspect that 99% of men who look at porn don't have some issue with it that causes problems in their lives, other than if they have a prude for a wife who has no understanding of the male mind.
Porn (and I don't have any time to partake, FYI) doesn't blacken your lungs and give you cancer. I suspect that 99% of men who look at porn don't have some issue with it that causes problems in their lives, other than if they have a prude for a wife who has no understanding of the male mind.
You should check out the FBI file on serial killers and see how porn was part of these killer's lives in fact Ted Bundy put a huge amount of blame on porn, if you can listen to his last interview before he was executed, very articulate.
You should check out the FBI file on serial killers and see how porn was part of these killer's lives in fact Ted Bundy put a huge amount of blame on porn, if you can listen to his last interview before he was executed, very articulate.
If over 95% (and that's being conservative) of men look at porn, you could make the same case for teachers, cops, 7-11 clerks, arsonists, professional baseball players, armed robbers - what's your point? Porn doesn't cause serial killers. Serial killers are screwed up in the head to start with, or they wouldn't be serial killers. Maybe they were obsessed with porn because they're nutty! I've looked at plenty of porn in my day, and it's not an obsession, nor does it cause any issues in my life. Sounds like some James Dobson "fact" used to try and enforce his personal moral code.
If over 95% (and that's being conservative) of men look at porn, you could make the same case for teachers, cops, 7-11 clerks, arsonists, professional baseball players, armed robbers - what's your point? Porn doesn't cause serial killers. Serial killers are screwed up in the head to start with, or they wouldn't be serial killers. Maybe they were obsessed with porn because they're nutty! I've looked at plenty of porn in my day, and it's not an obsession, nor does it cause any issues in my life. Sounds like some James Dobson "fact" used to try and enforce his personal moral code.
But Denverian.. don't you know that if there is a correlation it automatically equates to a causation!!!
For instance. I got out every morning before the sun rises and shout : "Rise Sun!"
Every morning it rises.
Thus.. Me shouting at the sun to rise is what makes it rise!
But Denverian.. don't you know that if there is a correlation it automatically equates to a causation!!!
For instance. I got out every morning before the sun rises and shout : "Rise Sun!"
Every morning it rises.
Thus.. Me shouting at the sun to rise is what makes it rise!
I always knew that critical thinking course in college would pay off some day! For some odd reason, there were no religious fundamentalists in the class
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that is backwards logic. You are saying these little boys 9-10 years old are screwed up in the head from the start?
