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Jhn 7:24, Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
What is righteous judgment jbf? An infinite life sentence with no chance of parole for a finite crime? How is that any different than getting a life sentence here on Earth for a speeding ticket? You cry judgement all the time yet do not care if this judgment is no where close to being fair or just. You keep saying I need to point out to people they are sinners. Really? Wasn't that John the Baptists job? YOUR job is to claim that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, the only name to call upon. It is the Holy Spirit's job to convict people of sin it is not your job.
People are cast into the lake of fire not for specific sins that they have committed; but because they are irreparably sinners.
In not receiving Christ during their lifetime and being born again, they reject the only provision for their sin nature to be dealt with.
Because their sin nature has not been dealt with, they will be sinners throughout eternity (see Revelation 16:9-11).
So, God, being just, will be punishing their sin throughout eternity.
That is, in fact, justice.
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Originally Posted by legoman
- calling someone a fool -> GEHENNA. Its not "hell fire"; that is a biased translation.
No...your translations that say what you want it to say are biased.
And what is the difference between Gehenna and hell fire?
Does not Gehenna = hell fire in the meaning that was originally attributed to it?
It was referenced by Jesus figuratively as it was well known as an undesirable garbage dump where garbage was burned and criminal's bodies were thrown. The Valley of Hinnom also had a bad reputation as that is where child sacrifice in fire was practiced to the pagan god Molech.
Jesus was using metaphor and hyperbole to reference judgment - cutting out your eye, cutting off your hand. Symbolically that meant cutting out the parts of your character & behavior that were causing you to sin. No one physically cuts out their eye or their hand.
To be sent there would be a sign of great disrespect, as you would lack a proper burial and would be thrown out with the trash.
Now Jesus' story would make no sense if being angry or calling someone Raca (an insult) only meant judgment by peers (or a council), but calling someone a fool (another insult) meant eternal torture in hell.
So tell me why the KJV translators decided to put "hellfire" instead of "Gehenna"? It would have been much clearer. But no, they were pushing a bias.
It was referenced by Jesus figuratively as it was well known as an undesirable garbage dump where garbage was burned and criminal's bodies were thrown. The Valley of Hinnom also had a bad reputation as that is where child sacrifice in fire was practiced to the pagan god Molech.
Jesus was using metaphor and hyperbole to reference judgment - cutting out your eye, cutting off your hand. Symbolically that meant cutting out the parts of your character & behavior that were causing you to sin. No one physically cuts out their eye or their hand.
To be sent there would be a sign of great disrespect, as you would lack a proper burial and would be thrown out with the trash.
Now Jesus' story would make no sense if being angry or calling someone Raca (an insult) only meant judgment by peers (or a council), but calling someone a fool (another insult) meant eternal torture in hell.
So tell me why the KJV translators decided to put "hellfire" instead of "Gehenna"? It would have been much clearer. But no, they were pushing a bias.
In Jesus' day Gehenna represented perpetual burning...which was also His intent in using that terminology...to convey that idea to the people that He was speaking to.
In Jesus' day Gehenna represented perpetual burning...which was also His intent in using that terminology...to convey that idea to the people that He was speaking to.
As usual, you ignore the bulk of what I wrote.
Tell me why does insulting someone "RACA" invoke the judgment of the council, but insulting someone by calling them "FOOL" mean you are in danger of eternal torture in hell?
Tell me why does insulting someone "RACA" invoke the judgment of the council, but insulting someone by calling them "FOOL" mean you are in danger of eternal torture in hell?
The first is a venial sin, and the second is mortal. Or as John calls them in 1 John 5, a sin that does not lead to death vs. a sin that leads to death.
Tell me why does insulting someone "RACA" invoke the judgment of the council, but insulting someone by calling them "FOOL" mean you are in danger of eternal torture in hell?
I'm sorry that I don't have the answer to every question.
I assume that you have an answer by which you are going to attempt to promote your doctrine?
The first is a venial sin, and the second is mortal. Or as John calls them in 1 John 5, a sin that does not lead to death vs. a sin that leads to death.
I'm not sure where you are getting that.
But the way I see it is explained in the next few verses by Jesus.
Its better to resolve your disputes quickly, otherwise they could escalate and get worse, and could potentially lead to death (for if you were thrown into the valley, its because you were dead, or soon to be).
Matt 5
25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
It was referenced by Jesus figuratively as it was well known as an undesirable garbage dump where garbage was burned and criminal's bodies were thrown. The Valley of Hinnom also had a bad reputation as that is where child sacrifice in fire was practiced to the pagan god Molech.
Jesus was using metaphor and hyperbole to reference judgment - cutting out your eye, cutting off your hand. Symbolically that meant cutting out the parts of your character & behavior that were causing you to sin. No one physically cuts out their eye or their hand.
To be sent there would be a sign of great disrespect, as you would lack a proper burial and would be thrown out with the trash.
Now Jesus' story would make no sense if being angry or calling someone Raca (an insult) only meant judgment by peers (or a council), but calling someone a fool (another insult) meant eternal torture in hell.
So tell me why the KJV translators decided to put "hellfire" instead of "Gehenna"? It would have been much clearer. But no, they were pushing a bias.
Because it should be clear that Jesus taught that calling someone raca would only result in danger of the council while calling someone a fool would put someone in danger of hell fire.
But the way I see it is explained in the next few verses by Jesus.
Its better to resolve your disputes quickly, otherwise they could escalate and get worse, and could potentially lead to death (for if you were thrown into the valley, its because you were dead, or soon to be).
Matt 5
25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
This is consistent with what I said.
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