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Oh, you didn't know that? All us Fundies think we are God (big G), just ask the URites!
Then, understand this: He never required, commanded, nor desired the blood sacrificing of animals, that came from the ignorance of men who believed they needed to appease an angry and wrathful god to cover their sin. There is nothing new under the sun within the "extreme" religious mindset that operates from a position of fear and trembling.
I want to be sure to get this straight from you!
Are you or are you not denying scripture when you have said uncountable times that those primitive and barbaric authors of scripture cannot be trusted?
Is that denying scripture? If not, you've got some explaining to do!
It is NOT denying scripture. It is saying it cannot be trusted as accurate because it was recorded and interpreted in ignorance and misunderstanding of God based on the primitive beliefs of our ancestors, Charlie. Like some even today, they believed EVERYTHING negative that happened was the judgment and wrath of God, even their OWN choices, decisions, mistakes, and unwise actions.
To them, NOTHING NEGATIVE happened that was NOT the wrath of God. That is why they interpreted what THEY did to Jesus as demanded by the wrath of God and then tried to come up with a rationalization to explain it. That rationalization has corrupted Christ's actual Good News Gospel of agape love and reconciliation ever since.
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It is NOT denying scripture. It is saying it cannot be trusted as accurate because it was recorded and interpreted in ignorance and misunderstanding of God based on the primitive beliefs of our ancestors, Charlie. Like some even today, they believed EVERYTHING negative that happened was the judgment and wrath of God, even their OWN choices, decisions, mistakes, and unwise actions. To them, NOTHING NEGATIVE happened that was NOT the wrath of God. That is why they interpreted what THEY did to Jesus as demanded by the wrath of God and then tried to come up with a rationalization to explain it. That rationalization has corrupted Christ's actual Good News Gospel of agape love and reconciliation ever since.
And I'm telling you they were not nearly as ignorant and misunderstanding as you say. The Holy Spirit would not have allowed that foolishness to take place!
Were not talking about how many peanuts are in the jar, this is the Word of God, Mystic. My Lord, the Holy Spirit was there and inspiring every word!
And I'm telling you they were not nearly as ignorant and misunderstanding as you say. The Holy Spirit would not have allowed that foolishness to take place!
Were not talking about how many peanuts are in the jar, this is the Word of God, Mystic. My Lord, the Holy Spirit was there and inspiring every word!
That is magical wishful thinking, Charlie. It never happened. Their ignorant misunderstanding of God and the scriptures is WHY Jesus was needed. Our ancestors needed to meet God in the flesh to see what He is really like, and they still managed to screw it up! They retained their ignorant beliefs in a wrathful and vengeful War God and wanted nothing to do with that "wimpy" agape loving God of Jesus!!! Sound familiar, Charlie?
There is a common thread running through those who resist the overwhelming love of God to restore every broken sinner back to Himself. It is presented in various styles, the foundation being we must do something.
Repentance is "granted" by our God, faith is His faith, (those who live by the faith of the Son of God). We stand before Him naked and blind and broken as hopeless beings in need from a Hand from above.
Tetelestai =
The perfect tense of the verb teleo which is derived from telos (a goal achieved, a consummation, a result attained) and means to bring something to a successful end, or to its intended or destined goal.
It does not mean just to complete a task but to carry it out fully, to bring it to the finish or to perfection.
The cry of the Christ is a word of finality. It is finished, it stands finished, and it always will be finished! His work of redemption is complete and nothing can be added to it.
There is a common thread running through those who resist the overwhelming love of God to restore every broken sinner back to Himself. It is presented in various styles, the foundation being we must do something.
Repentance is "granted" by our God, faith is His faith, (those who live by the faith of the Son of God). We stand before Him naked and blind and broken as hopeless beings in need from a Hand from above.
Tetelestai =
The perfect tense of the verb teleo which is derived from telos (a goal achieved, a consummation, a result attained) and means to bring something to a successful end, or to its intended or destined goal.
It does not mean just to complete a task but to carry it out fully, to bring it to the finish or to perfection.
The cry of the Christ is a word of finality. It is finished, it stands finished, and it always will be finished! His work of redemption is complete and nothing can be added to it.
And I'm telling you they were not nearly as ignorant and misunderstanding as you say. The Holy Spirit would not have allowed that foolishness to take place!
Were not talking about how many peanuts are in the jar, this is the Word of God, Mystic. My Lord, the Holy Spirit was there and inspiring every word!
You are not being honest with God. You and I both know that all kinds of foolishness takes place everyday. It's just like Jesus said, "My Father causes it to rain upon the just and the unjust." Expecting God to come in, therefore, and do what He has expressly said He won't, so that we can maintain our illusions of reality, then lying to ourselves about how well that is going may look like a good plan, but it won't be kind to you in the long run.
You need to understand that above all God desires intimacy with you. He doesn't forever want to be talking to the American Patriot you, or the softball league you, or the yoga studio you. He wants to be talking to you. In order to do that, He will be the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. He has to, so that He will always be there should you, and not one of those other versions of you, finally decide to participate.
He listens to them, but He knows they aren't really serious. None of them on their own can make those important decisions in your life. And it is anathema to expect them to make decisions concerning personal surrender anyway. They are like memes in your personality. Once they get lodged there, they don't ever really leave. You will have to make yourself a richer person to overcome where you came from.
That is about it. As emphatically as you pray, for instance, when you are that American Patriot, (remember it is a for instance, so please don't take offense that anything is personal should you find it offensive), who fits all of the social criteria for falling into the trap of nostalgia, all that God hears is how you are obsessed with the part of society that gives you any special recognition.
That particular marketing segment, however, is a vanishing species. You function well when you can get together and gripe about how lame Millennials are, and how much better your group was back in the day. You don't, however, take fashion advice from each other, anymore. You certainly aren't asking whether the structure of society is actually built correctly, or if we should allow markets to influence us to the degree that we do, among a long list of other questions the answers to which God knows will enrich you.
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You are not being honest with God. You and I both know that all kinds of foolishness takes place everyday. It's just like Jesus said, "My Father causes it to rain upon the just and the unjust." Expecting God to come in, therefore, and do what He has expressly said He won't, so that we can maintain our illusions of reality, then lying to ourselves about how well that is going may look like a good plan, but it won't be kind to you in the long run.
You need to understand that above all God desires intimacy with you. He doesn't forever want to be talking to the American Patriot you, or the softball league you, or the yoga studio you. He wants to be talking to you. In order to do that, He will be the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. He has to, so that He will always be there should you, and not one of those other versions of you, finally decide to participate.
He listens to them, but He knows they aren't really serious. None of them on their own can make those important decisions in your life. As emphatically as you pray, for instance, when you are that American Patriot, (remember it is a for instance, so please don't take offense that anything is personal should you find it offensive), who fits all of the social criteria for falling into the trap of nostalgia, all that God hears is how you are obsessed with the part of society that gives you any special recognition. That particular marketing segment, however, is a vanishing species. You function well when you can get together and gripe about how lame Millennials are, and how much better your group was back in the day. You don't, however, take fashion advice from each other, anymore.
Well, Prophet, when you look at it through the eyes of man, as you are doing, it all looks impossible.
But from the perspective of God the Holy Spirit who is perfect and makes no mistakes, I would say you are incorrect in your views and operation of the Spirit!
Well, Prophet, when you look at it through the eyes of man, as you are doing, it all looks impossible.
But from the perspective of God the Holy Spirit who is perfect and makes no mistakes, I would say you are incorrect in your views and operation of the Spirit!
What you are trying to say is that the written word is the word. What I am trying to say is that very spirit, the Holy Spirit, has to reveal it to you before it becomes the word. Sometimes, your faith can precede that, and your recognition of God's nature can short circuit through learning a lot of lessons. But that is what those who are on the opposite side in this argument are doing, not you. They are the ones who discovered the importance of love. You are the one who keeps saying that can't be it because of this exception or that exception. You are determined to learn the lessons. All of them, every one, one by one. You aren't about to skip ahead. That's ok.
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