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Old 12-12-2017, 09:11 PM
 
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do you also believe that only Christians who have accepted Jesus as their Lord etc. will be allowed entry upon earthly death?

If so, where do you think everyone else will go? It's my understanding that not all Christians believe in a literal, eternally-burning hell. What, in your denomination/sect, is expected to happen to non-Christians upon death? Especially those who have led decent, ethical lives according to their different, or non-beliefs.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:43 PM
 
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People who believe and trust the gospel of grace will be with the Lord immediately after the body falls away, they don't die.

Heaven is wherever Jesus is, hell is where He isn't. Jesus did speak of gradations in punishment in hell. Those who go there are simply being sent where they want to go, being forced into heaven hating Jesus would still be hell.
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:36 PM
 
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People who believe and trust the gospel of grace will be with the Lord immediately after the body falls away, they don't die.

Heaven is wherever Jesus is, hell is where He isn't. Jesus did speak of gradations in punishment in hell. Those who go there are simply being sent where they want to go, being forced into heaven hating Jesus would still be hell.
What happens to the billions of people who never even heard of Jesus or the Bible?

According to your assertions, Hitler will go to Heaven because he 'believed' but a moral decent Atheist who committed his/her life will get sent off for eternal torment.
This psycho God of yours isn't what one could call a deep thinker.

The truth is that even the NT authors can't agree on the requirements to be 'saved'. Contradiction after contradiction.

Interestingly Pope John Paul rejected the reality of a literal Hell Who basically said 'There is no physical place called Hell. Hell is a state of mind.'
That's why the Vatican hierarchy had him murdered in his sleep. Can't have the Pope of all people, easing peoples fears by speaking truth.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:47 PM
 
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Revelation 20:12-15 - And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:36 AM
 
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Revelation 20:12-15 - And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
And what deeds might they have been?...
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Old 12-13-2017, 03:03 AM
 
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Jesus said it in Matthew 25:41 ``Then will He say also to them on the left hand , depart from me you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels ``.......so then these lost people will have there souls die ................. Then in the last day of time people are raised up again and the lost are given the second death were there spirits will die , so God will put these people out of misery on the last day ............ So do people ignore these Words of the God who is living today who is called Just .......
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Old 12-13-2017, 03:59 AM
 
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Jesus said it in Matthew 25:41 ``Then will He say also to them on the left hand , depart from me you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels ``.......so then these lost people will have there souls die ................. Then in the last day of time people are raised up again and the lost are given the second death were there spirits will die , so God will put these people out of misery on the last day ............ So do people ignore these Words of the God who is living today who is called Just .......
Why would God be sending humans to a place that was created for the devil and his angels though?

If God had the ability to create a place of punishment for the fallen angels, he could have definitely created a separate place for humans who are not going to heaven too.
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:18 AM
 
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Why would God be sending humans to a place that was created for the devil and his angels though?

If God had the ability to create a place of punishment for the fallen angels, he could have definitely created a separate place for humans who are not going to heaven too.
You either don't know the Bible or you're just making stuff up to suit your argument.
According to the Bible , God made ALL things.
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:43 AM
 
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do you also believe that only Christians who have accepted Jesus as their Lord etc. will be allowed entry upon earthly death?

If so, where do you think everyone else will go? It's my understanding that not all Christians believe in a literal, eternally-burning hell. What, in your denomination/sect, is expected to happen to non-Christians upon death? Especially those who have led decent, ethical lives according to their different, or non-beliefs.
Since you asked....Try shedding the labels for a minute. This is kind of what I believe. A Jew, Hindu, Christian and Muslim were on a bus together when the driver fell asleep and drove them all off a cliff. They all stood before the throne but only one question was asked of each...what did you do with your life?

I don't think God cares much on the label we give ourselves, only how we treat others. As far as Christians who have accepted Jesus? Talk is cheap. You will know them by their fruits. Didn't Swaggert and Trump and Falwell all accept Jesus?
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:22 AM
 
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People who believe and trust the gospel of grace will be with the Lord immediately after the body falls away, they don't die.

Heaven is wherever Jesus is, hell is where He isn't. Jesus did speak of gradations in punishment in hell. Those who go there are simply being sent where they want to go, being forced into heaven hating Jesus would still be hell.
There are people who don’t think Jesus is who some Christians claim he is, but I’ve never heard anyone indicate that they hate Jesus.
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