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I see that a lot in the community, the pornography thing. While I can't get my head around that...sex doesn't interest me really, I definitely can identify with addiction. I hate smoking, it makes me smell like an ashtray haha, but I'm addicted. So I get that. This goes far beyond behavior and/or sinful nature. This...our orientations, go right to the heart of romantic human relationships. Some of us can be celibate, but the vast majority of us cannot. We need a partner. We need that love, or at least the potential for that to grow. See, we do the same things straight people do. We have that one person we can go to when everything goes wonky, to help share the burdens of life, someone to share the deepest part of ourselves with. Not sex, though I'm sure that's a part of it...it goes so far beyond that. To be told that to love in that way is forbidden...Rob, it's a burden to great for us to carry. It's not about sex, or behavior, or anything else. It's about relationships.
Hi geekigurl. I could really cut into this post of yours and respond to
your statements in a way that would force you to think about what
you've said, but out of courtesy I would require permission to do so.
The activity is sin. People can relate all they want.
Yet you must understand many of us see your attitude and words in exactly the same fashion that you view homosexual behavior. They are sinful, harmful toward gay people, and some of us hold Tahoe with such attitudes and statements as complicit in driving many homosexuals to suicide.
Think about that any time you post negative comments. It's not just homosexuals viewing you as such---there are many "bible-believers" (with a different definition of that term) who view you as committing sin against Jesus Christ with your comments.
Yet you must understand many of us see your attitude and words in exactly the same fashion that you view homosexual behavior. They are sinful, harmful toward gay people, and some of us hold Tahoe with such attitudes and statements as complicit in driving many homosexuals to suicide.
Think about that any time you post negative comments. It's not just homosexuals viewing you as such---there are many "bible-believers" (with a different definition of that term) who view you as committing sin against Jesus Christ with your comments.
Pornography is sin. Now what? Is it harmful towards those who do pornography? The activity is sin. Christ died for this as well as homosexual activity.
Pornography is sin. Now what? Is it harmful towards those who do pornography? The activity is sin. Christ died for this as well as homosexual activity.
Being complicit in the deaths of young gays with your words of rejection and your demands that they live in a fashion you do not (unmarried and celibate) is what Jesus meant when He warned the Pharisees about putting demands on other people that they did not put on themselves (hypocrites, Jesus called them).
He died for you, too, but He weeps over your hardened heart toward your Christian LGBTQ brothers and sisters.
Being complicit in the deaths of young gays with your words of rejection and your demands that they live in a fashion you do not (unmarried and celibate) is what Jesus meant when He warned the Pharisees about putting demands on other people that they did not put on themselves (hypocrites, Jesus called them).
He died for you, too, but He weeps over your hardened heart toward your Christian LGBTQ brothers and sisters.
See - you just changed the subject. No one is talking about death of gays, which I do not support. I am not putting demands on anybody. Sin is sin whether I do it, or someone else does it. Ultimately people will deal with it - or not deal with - as they see fit.
Hi geekigurl. I could really cut into this post of yours and respond to
your statements in a way that would force you to think about what
you've said, but out of courtesy I would require permission to do so.
This focus on gay people as the worst "sinners" of all time reminds me of an old cartoon I laughed at in the newspaper. A man is in his hospital bed, leg in traction, in casts and bandages up to his eyes, and his wife sits next to him looking at her hand and exclaims, "Oh no! I broke a nail!"
With all the terrible things to focus on--children living where people shoot each other in the streets, people without enough food, people being abused and harmed, innocent people in prison or people being locked into solitary confinement for years because they pissed off a guard...people who prefer the same sex wanting to belong to a church is what some people zero in on as the hill to die on? Really? Again, this is what we mean by God-Given Ability To Reason.
The activity is sin. People can relate all they want.
The activity itself is not sin, what scripture clearly teaches is that selfish indulgence, licentiousness and idolatry are sin, and the activity carried out with that basis is therefore sinful, whether same-sex or between sexes. Activity conducted within a relationship is no more so than heterosexual activity in such a relationship.
See - you just changed the subject. No one is talking about death of gays, which I do not support. I am not putting demands on anybody. Sin is sin whether I do it, or someone else does it. Ultimately people will deal with it - or not deal with - as they see fit.
It is part of the conversation because the outcry to reject gay people and label them as abominations has driven many people to suicide. You know that.
If you could save someone like that from suicide just by letting them know you care and that they are of value as a person as they are--WITHOUT condemning them as sinful--would you be able to do that?
It is part of the conversation because the outcry to reject gay people and label them as abominations has driven many people to suicide. You know that.
If you could save someone like that from suicide just by letting them know you care and that they are of value as a person as they are--WITHOUT condemning them as sinful--would you be able to do that?
Understand... we are talking about this on a discussion board. Slightly different environment here...
I am not going to go to a gay person and demean them as a sinner... just like if I knew someone practiced pornography, I would not go up to that person and wag my finger at them. The goal is to get them to Christ, and let Him deal with that persons sin. If the Holy Spirit prompts me to call out sin, I will.
I agree with what you posted earlier - gays are not the worst of the worst. But you have people like Nate, Warden and others that deny it's sin. That's wrong.
Also with regards to suicide - I cannot control what people do.
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