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Old 11-27-2013, 08:09 PM
 
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Because He is the Author of the Book and tells the end, from the beginning. It will go EXACTLY as HE HAS Said it will. For it is WRITTEN!
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:17 PM
 
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Because He is the Author of the Book and tells the end, from the beginning. It will go EXACTLY as HE HAS Said it will. For it is WRITTEN!
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You seem to be talking predestination.

Since God is outside of time, perhaps God can see the implications perfectly
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:53 PM
 
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You seem to be talking predestination.

Since God is outside of time, perhaps God can see the implications perfectly

God does predestine, He said this earths age is predestinated to be destroyed by FIRE.

Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
KJV
1 Peter 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
KJV

God is outside of time, but He is the one who sets times and season and each earth's age is 7,000 years.
6 days we work the fields then comes the HARVEST of the earth, then 1 day we rest to let the earth replenish her soil.
How did God know that we would have all this knowledge explosion we call TECHNOLOGY, and how did the INSPIRED writers know that we would have such vehicles to travel to and fro... even to space to exalt up to the throne of God in the heavens? How did God know that there would be a way for EVERY EYE to see things on the other side of the world at the same time via SATELITE such as the two witnesses, and Jesus' return?? He is not a fortune teller, He is the author and the finisher of EVERYTHING.
Rev 1:7
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
KJV

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
KJV

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
KJV

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Old 11-27-2013, 08:59 PM
 
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I like to think the Creator is not only capable of, but delights in, surprise.
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:02 PM
 
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You're trying to comprehend the Almighty, eternal God and creator of all things?????????????????
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Old 11-28-2013, 04:57 AM
 
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I wonder if He knows before He creates a person what the person's eventual fate will be?
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Old 11-28-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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afaithfulone4uHow is it that God knows all that is going to happen?
Because He is the Author of the Book and tells the end, from the beginning. It will go EXACTLY as HE HAS Said it will. For it is WRITTEN!

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You seem to be talking predestination.

Since God is outside of time, perhaps God can see the implications perfectly
What is omniscience then? Is foreknowledge and foreordination the same thing?

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Old 11-28-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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You seem to be talking predestination.

Since God is outside of time, perhaps God can see the implications perfectly

That negates what He states in Scripture. ..
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Old 11-28-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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God does predestine, He said this earths age is predestinated to be destroyed by FIRE.
Nope, the fire is symbolic of the destruction of the ungodly, not the planet.


KJV Ecclesiastes 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
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Old 11-28-2013, 02:33 PM
 
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Because He is the Author of the Book and tells the end, from the beginning. It will go EXACTLY as HE HAS Said it will. For it is WRITTEN!

Then there's no freewill,
then people where created as sinners or saints,
then people where created to chose Christianity or not to,
then the Torah serves no purpose,
then Jesus would serve no purpose.
then People where created to burn in hell, they've no choice they can't chose heaven.
then Nothing would have meaning, we should all just jump off a cliff.


But thankfully that isn't true,
We have Freewill,
A person has the potential to be good or bad.
A person chooses what to believe or not believe.
The Torah has some wisdom but isn't perfect.
Jesus came to show us the way to life.
People can chose to move onto paradise or to reincarnate until they cease to exists.
All of our lives have a meaning, that meaning is what you chose to make of it, our lives are important and should not be treated like puppets on a string.


"How is it that God knows all that is going to happen?" In order for freewill to exists god can't know the exact progression of all events, perhaps the exact progression of major events out of human control but not the events within our control, god knows what we might chose and what those choices would lead up to but god can't know the choices we would make because if God did we would merely be mindless slaves even the ones we claim hate god, would have been created to do so and therefor eternal damnation and the idea of sin would be rendered illogical.



May love and peace be with you all.
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