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Maybe it how we see specific. We are born as members of the body of Adam and therefore as children or offspring of Adam, we share in the condemnation that has come upon Adam and his descendants born of his seed. (Jesus the redeemer could not be a redeemer and born of his seed at the same time since He would then be under the same condemnation - thus the virgin birth). So it maybe that we are on the same page but the term specific is the gray area. As a member of Adam's body, I still view myself as attached specifically to that sin. I know that may be simply a matter of perception as to whether we deem it his sin or our specific sin.
Well, if a building is going to fall on you--or not--because of Adam's sin rather than your own, and if that same factor is in operation in the same way for an unbeliever (the building will fall on him--or not--because of Adam's sin rather than his own), then it's still a matter of "the sun shines on the just and the unjust."
Essentially, the natural calamities resulting from Adam's sin occur randomly without regard to the personal sins of an individual.
And that is an important factor to understand. As a result of Adam's sin, we live in a fallen world. If good things only happened to good people and bad things only happened to bad people, this would not be a fallen world, it would be a just world.
But this is not a just world, it's a fallen world.
Well, if a building is going to fall on you--or not--because of Adam's sin rather than your own, and if that same factor is in operation in the same way for an unbeliever (the building will fall on him--or not--because of Adam's sin rather than his own), then it's still a matter of "the sun shines on the just and the unjust."
Essentially, the natural calamities resulting from Adam's sin occur randomly without regard to the personal sins of an individual.
And that is an important factor to understand. As a result of Adam's sin, we live in a fallen world. If good things only happened to good people and bad things only happened to bad people, this would not be a fallen world, it would be a just world.
But this is not a just world, it's a fallen world.
Let me go further to explain. God loves His enemies. He sends the sun and rain upon us all. Those are both blessings being poured upon the just and unjust. But the one who walks according to the commandment of God will not experience calamity. Remember the plea by Abraham to God concerning Gomorra and how God said He would not destroy the righteous with the unrighteous.
Let me go further to explain. God loves His enemies. He sends the sun and rain upon us all. Those are both blessings being poured upon the just and unjust. But the one who walks according to the commandment of God will not experience calamity. Remember the plea by Abraham to God concerning Gomorra and how God said He would not destroy the righteous with the unrighteous.
I've already pointed out that a calamity that is the specific result of prophesy--such as that visited on Sodom-- is not the same as an unprophesized natural disaster.
In fact, a calamity that is the specific result of prophesy is by definition not a "natural" disaster at all, but very specifically a supernatural disaster that is a specific, prophesied manifestation of God's wrath.
Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no!
Jesus emphatically said that the victims of the falling tower of Siloam was not the result of their sins. What part of "I tell you, no!" is so hard to accept?
If you say, though, that all disasters are judicial punishment for the sins specific to the individuals who suffer them, then you must conclude that people such as Paul and Timothy were unrighteous, and indeed, that there are almost no righteous Christians at all.
I've already pointed out that a calamity that is the specific result of prophesy--such as that visited on Sodom-- is not the same as an unprophesized natural disaster.
In fact, a calamity that is the specific result of prophesy is by definition not a "natural" disaster at all, but very specifically a supernatural disaster that is a specific, prophesied manifestation of God's wrath.
Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no!
Jesus emphatically said that the victims of the falling tower of Siloam was not the result of their sins. What part of "I tell you, no!" is so hard to accept?
If you say, though, that all disasters are judicial punishment for the sins specific to the individuals who suffer them, then you must conclude that people such as Paul and Timothy were unrighteous, and indeed, that there are almost no righteous Christians at all.
No, that is an incorrect analysis of the verses. Those verses are showing that it wasn't because they had any MORE sins or more SIGNIFICANT sins than another. That is was because of the very fact that they possessed sin. So in other words. If they were unrighteous on ANY LEVEL (meaning to have sin of no specific quantity) that they suffered calamity as a result. This means that if you have sin any calamaity can come your way and not think that your sin is insignificant compared to someone elses.
Just want to add that I believe the vast majority of those that call themselves Christian are unrighteous.
God began everything and so knows everything. His name is I AM, which means I AM Almighty, I AM All Knowing, I AM The beginning and the end, I AM.......You just keep filling it out, that is who God is and that is why He knows all things.
No, that is an incorrect analysis of the verses. Those verses are showing that it wasn't because they had any MORE sins or more SIGNIFICANT sins than another. That is was because of the very fact that they possessed sin. So in other words. If they were unrighteous on ANY LEVEL (meaning to have sin of no specific quantity) that they suffered calamity as a result. This means that if you have sin any calamaity can come your way and not think that your sin is insignificant compared to someone elses.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. -- 1 John 1
So, if as you say that calamities befall everyone who has sin at any level, and according to the bible that includes everyone of us, Christians and non-Christian alike...
Then as I've been saying, the incidence of calamities is still random and not related to any individual's specific sin. From what you're saying, it still boils down to:
If someone had an automobile accident this morning, it was not divine punishment specifically for the porno movie he watched last night. He was just as likely to have had the accident, whether he'd watched the movie or not, whether he was a Christian or not, because this is a world fallen to sin and all of us are sinners.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. -- 1 John 1
So, if as you say that calamities befall everyone who has sin at any level, and according to the bible that includes everyone of us, Christians and non-Christian alike...
Then as I've been saying, the incidence of calamities is still random and not related to any individual's specific sin. From what you're saying, it still boils down to:
If someone had an automobile accident this morning, it was not divine punishment specifically for the porno movie he watched last night. He was just as likely to have had the accident, whether he'd watched the movie or not, whether he was a Christian or not, because this is a world fallen to sin and all of us are sinners.
We all have sin as we are born into the world with sin. But there is a difference between those repenting and those who are not from their sins. Those that are not repenting from their sins are those of whom the calamity may seek.
It comes down to this - if your not in repentance, you may not survive the calamity.
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