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Originally Posted by scgraham
OSAS is false doctrine.
Hebrews 12
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
[9] Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
[10] For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
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Have you read Romans 8? Romans 8 contains 39 verses - that is a lot of Scripture - in which Paul is adamant about defending the doctrine of Eternal Security.
So do people who say that they cannot accept this doctrine consider that Paul was wrong? How about the Gospel of John who is also strong on this teaching? John says this,
John 10:27: My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
John 10:28: And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.
John 10:29: My Father who gave them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand.
Even earlier in John, it says this,
John 6:44: No one can come to Me unless the Father who has sent Me draw him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:64: But there are some of you who do not believe. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who is the one betraying Him.
John 6:65: And He said, Because of this I said to you that no one can come to Me unless it was given to him from My Father.
So we see that there were some that did not believe, Jesus knew about them, of course He did. But when it is granted to us by the Father to come in faith to Jesus, we come under the grace of God. Under the grace of God one cannot fail - it is really very simple Nobody, and I mean nothing, can pluck us out of the Father's hand! If that is not clear enough, one has the entire 8th chapter of Romans. Here are some to meditate on:
Rom 8:16: The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.
Rom 8:17: And if we are children, then we are heirs; heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ; so that if we suffer with Him, we may also be glorified together.
Rom 8:18: For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the coming glory to be revealed in us.
And here is the ending:
Rom 8:29: For whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be the First-born among many brothers.
Rom 8:30: But whom He predestinated, these He also called; and whom He called, those He also justified. And whom He justified, these He also glorified.
Rom 8:31: What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
Rom 8:32: Truly He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?
Rom 8:33: Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God who justifies.
Rom 8:34: Who is he condemning? It is Christ who has died, but rather also who is raised, who is also at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
Rom 8:35: Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36: As it is written, "For Your sake we are killed all the day long. We are counted as sheep of slaughter."
Rom 8:37: But in all these things we more than conquer through Him who loved us.
Rom 8:38: For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39: nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
All of these verses should be pretty convincing.
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