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From the writings of the Jewish historian living during this period Josephus Flavus, Antiquities, Book 18, chap 5, 1-2
Antipas divorced his first wife Phasaelis, who was the daughter of King Aretas and married Herodias. Before this occurred, Phasaelis traveled to her father at Macherus. (Antipas did no know she was aware of his plans). Aretas sent his army against Antipas and Antipas suffered a devastating defeat. This battle took place in 36 AD.
Thus, if we believe as the gospel tells us that John the Baptist was imprisoned by Antipas for condemning his marriage to Herodias, it would have to have occurred after Phasaelis left him, i.e., 36 A.D.
Next, the part of the gospel regarding John’s beheading because of the request of Salome may be simply untrue. Josephus only states that “Herod, who feared lest the great influence John had over the people might put it into his power and inclination to raise a rebellion, (for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise,) thought it best, by putting him to death”
It’s interesting to note that Josephus’s report of the death of Jesus, Antiquities 18, chap 3, (although considered interpolated) occurs before the death of John.(Antiquities 18 chap 5). Thus the New Testament accounts of the dialogue between Jesus and the imprisoned John the Baptist (Luke 7:18-20) is chronologically questionable.
The New Testament contains accounts of the existence of followers of John who don’t seem to have joined the followers of Christ: Matt 9:14, Mark 2-18, John 3:22, John 3:25-28.
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If you base answers on humans answers and leave out the clues in the Bible you will get a headache.
Herod himself by his actions at Mark 6:14 - 19
Because of Jesus ministry reports of his work were made public. People were saying "John the baptizer has been raised from the dead...."
Luke 9:9 "Herod said "John I beheaded. Who, then, is this about whom I am hearing such things?" So he was seeking to see him."
See Luke 23:8 He didnt get to question Jesus until a year later on the night of Jesus death.
Therefore No John didnt die after Jesus.
Herods answer is correct. He imprisoned then beheaded John the Baptist.
From the writings of the Jewish historian living during this period Josephus Flavus, Antiquities, Book 18, chap 5, 1-2
Antipas divorced his first wife Phasaelis, who was the daughter of King Aretas and married Herodias. Before this occurred, Phasaelis traveled to her father at Macherus. (Antipas did no know she was aware of his plans). Aretas sent his army against Antipas and Antipas suffered a devastating defeat. This battle took place in 36 AD.
Thus, if we believe as the gospel tells us that John the Baptist was imprisoned by Antipas for condemning his marriage to Herodias, it would have to have occurred after Phasaelis left him, i.e., 36 A.D.
Next, the part of the gospel regarding John’s beheading because of the request of Salome may be simply untrue. Josephus only states that “Herod, who feared lest the great influence John had over the people might put it into his power and inclination to raise a rebellion, (for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise,) thought it best, by putting him to death”
It’s interesting to note that Josephus’s report of the death of Jesus, Antiquities 18, chap 3, (although considered interpolated) occurs before the death of John.(Antiquities 18 chap 5). Thus the New Testament accounts of the dialogue between Jesus and the imprisoned John the Baptist (Luke 7:18-20) is chronologically questionable.
The New Testament contains accounts of the existence of followers of John who don’t seem to have joined the followers of Christ: Matt 9:14, Mark 2-18, John 3:22, John 3:25-28.
According to Scripture, John the Baptizer did die before Jesus died.
That is why John did Not have a heavenly resurrection - Matthew 11:11
ALL who died before Jesus' died can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection such as King David - Acts 2:34
They will have a future resurrection under Christ's 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts 24:15 that ' there will be ' a resurrection.....
From the writings of the Jewish historian living during this period Josephus Flavus, Antiquities, Book 18, chap 5, 1-2
Antipas divorced his first wife Phasaelis, who was the daughter of King Aretas and married Herodias. Before this occurred, Phasaelis traveled to her father at Macherus. (Antipas did no know she was aware of his plans). Aretas sent his army against Antipas and Antipas suffered a devastating defeat. This battle took place in 36 AD.
Thus, if we believe as the gospel tells us that John the Baptist was imprisoned by Antipas for condemning his marriage to Herodias, it would have to have occurred after Phasaelis left him, i.e., 36 A.D.
Next, the part of the gospel regarding John’s beheading because of the request of Salome may be simply untrue. Josephus only states that “Herod, who feared lest the great influence John had over the people might put it into his power and inclination to raise a rebellion, (for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise,) thought it best, by putting him to death”
It’s interesting to note that Josephus’s report of the death of Jesus, Antiquities 18, chap 3, (although considered interpolated) occurs before the death of John.(Antiquities 18 chap 5). Thus the New Testament accounts of the dialogue between Jesus and the imprisoned John the Baptist (Luke 7:18-20) is chronologically questionable.
The New Testament contains accounts of the existence of followers of John who don’t seem to have joined the followers of Christ: Matt 9:14, Mark 2-18, John 3:22, John 3:25-28.
Jesus was 30 (The age of manhood in the Jewish days) He died 3 years later. John died about 3 years before Jesus. John was 6 months older the Jesus.
Augustus died on August 17, 14 C.E., and Tiberius was named emperor by the Roman Senate on September 15; thus his (John's) 15th year would run from the latter part of 28 C.E. to August or September of 29 C.E. Since Jesus (also at the age of about 30) presented himself for baptism in the autumn, John, six months older, must have begun his ministry in the spring of 29 C.E.—Lu 3:1-3, 23.
From the writings of the Jewish historian living during this period Josephus Flavus, Antiquities, Book 18, chap 5, 1-2
Antipas divorced his first wife Phasaelis, who was the daughter of King Aretas and married Herodias. Before this occurred, Phasaelis traveled to her father at Macherus. (Antipas did no know she was aware of his plans). Aretas sent his army against Antipas and Antipas suffered a devastating defeat. This battle took place in 36 AD.
Thus, if we believe as the gospel tells us that John the Baptist was imprisoned by Antipas for condemning his marriage to Herodias, it would have to have occurred after Phasaelis left him, i.e., 36 A.D.
Next, the part of the gospel regarding John’s beheading because of the request of Salome may be simply untrue. Josephus only states that “Herod, who feared lest the great influence John had over the people might put it into his power and inclination to raise a rebellion, (for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise,) thought it best, by putting him to death”
It’s interesting to note that Josephus’s report of the death of Jesus, Antiquities 18, chap 3, (although considered interpolated) occurs before the death of John.(Antiquities 18 chap 5). Thus the New Testament accounts of the dialogue between Jesus and the imprisoned John the Baptist (Luke 7:18-20) is chronologically questionable.
The New Testament contains accounts of the existence of followers of John who don’t seem to have joined the followers of Christ: Matt 9:14, Mark 2-18, John 3:22, John 3:25-28.
John HAD to have his head cut off just as Judas had to have his intestines displayed and so it is with everyone who walks with Jesus having to have their heads cut off.
Having your head cut off is a part of the plan of our walk with Christ and John the Baptist had to have his head cut off as part of the sacrifice of Jesus because all the sacrifices and the laws of all the sacrifices had to be displayed and one is where you take the head and put it in it's place and it MUST be viewed by the authorities what was the calculation of the head. Another law of sacrifice is that the intestines MUST be taken out and put in their place to be seen and the intent of the sacrifice exposed. NO WAY can the sacrifice be strangled and so Judas could not have strangled himself if ten thousand people were helping him.
Just as Barabas HAD to be set free as a law of Yom Kippur that a scapegoat is set free because all the laws of sacrifice had to be played out and there were many people who played their roles in completing these laws.
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John HAD to have his head cut off just as Judas had to have his intestines displayed and so it is with everyone who walks with Jesus having to have their heads cut off.
Having your head cut off is a part of the plan of our walk with Christ and John the Baptist had to have his head cut off as part of the sacrifice of Jesus because all the sacrifices and the laws of all the sacrifices had to be displayed and one is where you take the head and put it in it's place and it MUST be viewed by the authorities what was the calculation of the head. Another law of sacrifice is that the intestines MUST be taken out and put in their place to be seen and the intend of the sacrifice exposed. NO WAY can the sacrifice be strangled and so Judas could not have strangled himself if ten thousand people were helping him.
Just as Barabas HAD to be set free as a law of Yom Kippur that a scapegoat is set free because all the laws of sacrifice had to be played out and there were many people who played their roles in completing these laws.
The wise would look to the Sukkot Bull and the laws concerning it's sacrifice and how the laws were fulfilled according to the Sukkot Bull. Many would see Barabas as a given on Yom Kippur, but to explain the Sukkot bull is a great mystery.
The wise would look to the Sukkot Bull and the laws concerning it's sacrifice and how the laws were fulfilled according to the Sukkot Bull. Many would see Barabas as a given on Yom Kippur, but to explain the Sukkot bull is a great mystery.
Sacrifice schmacrifice!!The only mystery about it is how such barbaric ideas have survived into the 21st century.
Sacrifice schmacrifice!!The only mystery about it is how such barbaric ideas have survived into the 21st century.
No, the beauty of it is that Jesus actually fulfilled the sacrificial system by showing us something that was beautiful and the sacrifices have not ended because we all make sacrifices to God or maybe we don't. We are to die daily as a sacrifice, did you know that?
WE are the sacrifice if Jesus is the Passover lamb, then we also lay our lives down so that he can live within us.
What is wrong with striving to find Jesus in the law?
It is a beautiful thing, not a disgusting thing and the law is not over lest the sun should not come up tomorrow, Jesus did not come to abolish the laws, in fact, he says that whoever keeps them and teaches others to keep them will be the greatest in the kingdom but how shall we keep them Mystic?
Again, the law is written for man Mystic, and where you see a law of flesh speaking about oxen, maybe that is what you will always see if you are reading the flesh of the law because the true spirit of the law is life and a pathway for the righteous.
1 Corinthians 9
8Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? 9For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 10Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. 11If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
Go look in the law Mystic, does it speak of oxen or is it that the law of oxen applies to you instead of oxen?
CERTAINLY, it is of YOU, NOT OXEN.
Open your eyes brother, and know that what you have been reading all these years is flesh, look to the law of liberty and see the beauty of the law.
Let us read the truth of the law in spirit and not flesh.
No, the beauty of it is that Jesus actually fulfilled the sacrificial system by showing us something that was beautiful and the sacrifices have not ended because we all make sacrifices to God or maybe we don't. We are to die daily as a sacrifice, did you know that?
WE are the sacrifice if Jesus is the Passover lamb, then we also lay our lives down so that he can live within us.
What is wrong with striving to find Jesus in the law?
It is a beautiful thing, not a disgusting thing and the law is not over lest the sun should not come up tomorrow, Jesus did not come to abolish the laws, in fact, he says that whoever keeps them and teaches others to keep them will be the greatest in the kingdom but how shall we keep them Mystic?
Again, the law is written for man Mystic, and where you see a law of flesh speaking about oxen, maybe that is what you will always see if you are reading the flesh of the law because the true spirit of the law is life and a pathway for the righteous.
1 Corinthians 9
8Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? 9For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 10Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. 11If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
Go look in the law Mystic, does it speak of oxen or is it that the law of oxen applies to you instead of oxen?
CERTAINLY, it is of YOU, NOT OXEN.
Open your eyes brother, and know that what you have been reading all these years is flesh, look to the law of liberty and see the beauty of the law.
Let us read the truth of the law in spirit and not flesh.
Amen. Referring to the OP, have any ever considered that Yeshua and John were born 6 months/6 moons apart? Peace
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