Breaking: Lori Lightfoot is officially out as Mayor of Chicago. As Paul Vallas and Brandon Johnson advance to a runoff. (Cuba: island, population)

[Hiruko]

Originally Posted by dtcbnd03

The better question is why does enforcing laws in Chicago area result in worse neighborhoods? How does that logic make sense? I understand you don't want to overpolice and write tickets for every nitpicky thing but enforcing laws against shoplifting, robberies, carjackings, etc. is pretty common sense and only has upside.

The same people wanting to 'defund the police' are the same people that are responsible for red light cameras, speed cameras, excessive parking fines, and the ridiculous wheel tax/city sticker program—fines and fees that cause greater harm to middle and working-class residents.

[Cool Arrow]

Originally Posted by Hiruko

All of those cities are in countries that are, most years, less affluent than the United States. The United States has many more firearms and gun-related crime than any other developed country. That adds a different dimension. I also believe that there are cultural and demographic explanations for crime and criminal activity.

The left firmly believes that crime, poverty, and disconnection are all connected with each other. To a certain extent, they are. However, that does not explain why the incidence of crime often varies widely from community to community irrespective of economic conditions. Even within Chicago, poorer predominately Hispanic community areas have consistently less violent crime than more affluent predominately African-American community areas.

Additionally, it's time to bust this myth that the United States somehow has a non-existent welfare state or a 'skimpy' one relative to other countries. According to the OECD, Public social spending as a percentage of GDP in the United States was 22.7% in 2022. That puts the US ahead of the United Kingdom, Australia, Norway, and The Netherlands. Our spending is nearly double that of Ireland. Also according to the OECD, when you add public-private expenditures to the mix, the United States spent 29.4% of GDP on social expenditures in 2019. This was higher than ANY other OECD country save France. If we could spend our way out of crime in the ghettos, family dysfunction, failing public schools, and inequalities, it would have been done by now.

NYC and LA have simliar demographics and culture and their murder rate is a lot lower than Chicago's. They also have a lot less cops per capita. There's obviously something that these cities are doing that Chicago isn't

[Kmanshouse]

It's cultural. NYC has double the percentage of Asian population and LA is far more Latino and far less AA.

[Cool Arrow]

Originally Posted by Kmanshouse

It's cultural. NYC has double the percentage of Asian population and LA is far more Latino and far less AA.

NYC and Boston have almost the same percent of AA as Chicago does yet their rates are a lot lower, signifcantly lower. In raw numbers NYC has double the AA population as Chicago does yet much lower murder rate. So clearly it's not culture. One thing I do know is that NYC, LA, and Boston have higher homicide clearance rates than Chicago does, yet they have less cops per capita. So clearly having more cops doesn't improve the homicide clearance rate.

[BPt111]

Originally Posted by Cool Arrow

NYC and Boston have almost the same percent of AA as Chicago does yet their rates are a lot lower, signifcantly lower. In raw numbers NYC has double the AA population as Chicago does yet much lower murder rate. So clearly it's not culture. One thing I do know is that NYC, LA, and Boston have higher homicide clearance rates than Chicago does, yet they have less cops per capita. So clearly having more cops doesn't improve the homicide clearance rate.

NYC have more Afro Caribbean and Afro Hispanic compare to Chicago the borough of Queens has some some middle and upper class areas of those groups. NYC hoods are gentrifying compare to Chicago they are huge demand to live in parts of Brooklyn and Uptown Manhattan. You don’t see demands for Chicago south and west side. The southern tip of The Bronx close to Manhattan even seeing improvement with developments.

[personone]

Originally Posted by Cool Arrow

NYC and Boston have almost the same percent of AA as Chicago does yet their rates are a lot lower, signifcantly lower. In raw numbers NYC has double the AA population as Chicago does yet much lower murder rate. So clearly it's not culture. One thing I do know is that NYC, LA, and Boston have higher homicide clearance rates than Chicago does, yet they have less cops per capita. So clearly having more cops doesn't improve the homicide clearance rate.

Originally Posted by BPt111

NYC have more Afro Caribbean and Afro Hispanic compare to Chicago the borough of Queens has some some middle and upper class areas of those groups. NYC hoods are gentrifying compare to Chicago they are huge demand to live in parts of Brooklyn and Uptown Manhattan. You don’t see demands for Chicago south and west side. The southern tip of The Bronx close to Manhattan even seeing improvement with developments.

You are confusing "race" with "culture." As the poster said, it's "cultural." NYC and Boston have more African/Caribbean Blacks. Culturally, there is more of an "immigrant" dynamic, with 2 parent households, higher academic expectations (as most immigrants move here for opportunity and push that onto children as well), more discipline, etc. Also, there's less "generational" poverty than US Blacks. All of those factors taken together, there will generally be a lot less violent crime in urban areas that have higher percentages of African/Caribbean Blacks vs. areas with higher US Blacks.

That's why NYC and Boston have lower violent crime than Chicago, Baltimore, Memphis, New Orleans, St. Louis, Houston, Detroit, or any of the other cities with large African American populations.

[Cool Arrow]

Originally Posted by BPt111

NYC have more Afro Caribbean and Afro Hispanic compare to Chicago the borough of Queens has some some middle and upper class areas of those groups. NYC hoods are gentrifying compare to Chicago they are huge demand to live in parts of Brooklyn and Uptown Manhattan. You don’t see demands for Chicago south and west side. The southern tip of The Bronx close to Manhattan even seeing improvement with developments.

Afro Caribbeans and Afro Hispanics are categorized as Latino and or Hispanic

Originally Posted by personone

You are confusing "race" with "culture." As the poster said, it's "cultural." NYC and Boston have more African/Caribbean Blacks. Culturally, there is more of an "immigrant" dynamic, with 2 parent households, higher academic expectations (as most immigrants move here for opportunity and push that onto children as well), more discipline, etc. Also, there's less "generational" poverty than US Blacks. All of those factors taken together, there will generally be a lot less violent crime in urban areas that have higher percentages of African/Caribbean Blacks vs. areas with higher US Blacks.

That's why NYC and Boston have lower violent crime than Chicago, Baltimore, Memphis, New Orleans, St. Louis, Houston, Detroit, or any of the other cities with large African American populations.

I wasn't the one who brought up race. The percent of New Yorkers who are African immigrants is approximately 2%. That's not enough to make an impact by any measure. Demographics are very similar. Whatever cultural background Chicagoans have, NYC has more of it. Yet they don't have the crime.

[BPt111]

Originally Posted by Cool Arrow

Afro Caribbeans and Afro Hispanics are categorized as Latino and or Hispanic



I wasn't the one who brought up race. The percent of New Yorkers who are African immigrants is approximately 2%. That's not enough to make an impact by any measure. Demographics are very similar. Whatever cultural background Chicagoans have, NYC has more of it. Yet they don't have the crime.

New York enjoys a more diverse Black population than most cities. 935,512 of the areas residents where born outside of the US and 413,669 of them are still not American citizens. The majority (84.4%) of Foreign-born Black residents are from the Caribbean. 13.0% are immigrants from Africa and 1.6% are from Europe.

NYC have more foreign born than Chicago which is more homegrown so 20% of NYC black residents from the Caribbean. Chicago is around 2% foreign born I think

2010 Census can’t find 2020

https://blackdemographics.com/cities...ork-nj-ny/amp/

[personone]

Originally Posted by Cool Arrow

Afro Caribbeans and Afro Hispanics are categorized as Latino and or Hispanic



I wasn't the one who brought up race. The percent of New Yorkers who are African immigrants is approximately 2%. That's not enough to make an impact by any measure. Demographics are very similar. Whatever cultural background Chicagoans have, NYC has more of it. Yet they don't have the crime.

WRONG. Afro Caribbeans are NOT categorized as “Latino and/or Hispanic” unless they are Puerto Rican, Dominican, or Cuban. The term Afro Caribbean is usually meant to describe Jamaicans, Haitians, and other non-Hispanic islanders.

[BPt111]

Originally Posted by personone

WRONG. Afro Caribbeans are NOT categorized as “Latino and/or Hispanic” unless they are Puerto Rican, Dominican, or Cuban. The term Afro Caribbean is usually meant to describe Jamaicans, Haitians, and other non-Hispanic islanders.

Correct term for Caribbean is Jamaica, Haiti, Barbados, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Trinidad, Guadalupe, The Bahamas for example