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It does indeed happen. They even had it on TV once. They don't need to hide out in SC stores. NC agents will stake out FM and other close to the border stores from the NC side with binoculars. They look for NC tags. When someone buys a lot of booze from NC, they will radio up the license tag, and the party is pulled over. Of course it's almost a sure thing with places as close to a city as large as Charlotte.
How often they decide to do one of these stings, i have no idea. I'm also not sure what the party's rights are concerning the ALE agents having a look in the trunk or something.
Well it doesn't happen enough to be easy to find on the web. The question seemed to imply that people were getting pulled over from buying booze from SC. That isn't illegal so they shouldn't be pulled over for it.
Now, buying A LOT is another question. Do people in SC even buy that much at once? Seems expensive.
As far as rights go, it's easy. If they ask if it's OK then the answer is no. If they say you have no choice then the answer is yes. For the first instance it isn't a seizure unless you are told you cannot leave but you are waiving your rights to 4th amendment protection which is just stupid but people that are scared of the police (like immigrants) often do so.
If you have no choice and you do not consent then it is a seizure. Probable cause would be needed and I doubt using high powered binoculars would be enough unless there was a significant amount is being bought where they are bringing out box after box and loading it into a commercial van. That would also be stupid.
I'm talking about what's in your trunk. They could simple setup a license check and see what's visible in your backseat. That could lead to probable cause.
ALE only has 112 sworn officers. They use a lot of volunteer <21s for age stings.
That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Our government does stupid things in a continual motion and our citizens do not know their rights.
If you drink I'd be interested to know how much you buy at one time. Is 4L a lot?
We need to keep state stores because people depend on them for their state paid jobs. I know several people who retired from the state with a pension they earned by making it a career to work in a state ABC store .A decent job for a decent AMERICAN tax payer and hard worker . Lets keep the standard high here in NC.
We need to keep state stores because people depend on them for their state paid jobs. I know several people who retired from the state with a pension they earned by making it a career to work in a state ABC store .A decent job for a decent AMERICAN tax payer and hard worker . Lets keep the standard high here in NC.
I don't agree because it deprives private entrepreneurs the right to open a business for themselves and to employ workers. It's the difference between state socialism and private capitalism.
Furthermore, right here in Mecklenburg, we have had a pretty serious case of payola involving appointed government officials who used their position to insure that only certain brands would be sold in the county.
The taxes private sellers generate would/could fund the same programs and cut back on the number of state and local government employees hired to manage and run the State ABC stores. Then, I digress to a topic for another posting.
It would require the same number of people to manage the taxes and subsequent expenditures, wouldn't it?
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For the most part, I find many liquors run a few bucks cheaper in SC vs. NC due to both the reason noted by Frewroad above and I believe taxes are also less. For a bottle of Bacardi 8 or Jameson's (my two most frequent purchases) I would say that if I bought a bottle of each at Frugal's or Southern Spirits, I would probably pay about $4-$5 less than I would if I bought those two bottles at an NC ABC store. I would probably save another buck or so if I paid cash (at both of those stores, they charge a bit more for paying by CC).
I can be across the border in 5 minutes from either home or work. But if I lived further north, I don't think the price difference would make the drive worth it for me unless I was buying at least a case worth of booze.
I think the bigger difference between NC and SC is that it seems that the stores in SC have a much wider selection. Again, I am using Frugal's and Southern Spirits for comparison; the latter readily advertises that they carry the largest selection of scotch in the area (and they are not kidding). For example, I occasionally buy a bottle of Redbreast (an Irish whiskey) - I have never seen it in any ABC store in NC.
Same with me. If I'm near an SC store I may stop in and pick up a couple bottles, based on them being less expensive than NC stores when I've compared. But they're too far from my normal travels to make a special trip.
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I don't drink spirits. Would Gran Patron Burdeos Anejo be a good starter?
It's cool that you can download the prices in NC to take with you to SC to compare. There should be an app for that.
I was just having a conversation about Frugal MacDougal the other day and a couple of people said during peak times (holidays, etc) there will be police catching people who buy from Frugals then head back across the NC line. Not sure if anyone else has heard this.
I thought the limit was 4 liters, but I never concern myself with it.
If you drink I'd be interested to know how much you buy at one time. Is 4L a lot?
I never really cared much for these socialist units of measure. I think we'd be better served by returning to the gill, ******, fifth and hogshead. I don't drink much these days, (it's not good for you) but I don't think it's that much, especially if you are having a party.
I never really cared much for these socialist units of measure.
In other words, you don't like foreign rulers. It's such a backfire that no one notices. 12oz soda in Canada is sold as 355ml. So they dumped oz but still use the same size container. I'd hate to do the math for three of those when 36oz works just fine.
I don't agree because it deprives private entrepreneurs the right to open a business for themselves and to employ workers. It's the difference between state socialism and private capitalism.
Furthermore, right here in Mecklenburg, we have had a pretty serious case of payola involving appointed government officials who used their position to insure that only certain brands would be sold in the county.
Only thing is the private entrepreneurs arent going to create real jobs with real benefits .
We need to keep state stores because people depend on them for their state paid jobs. I know several people who retired from the state with a pension they earned by making it a career to work in a state ABC store .A decent job for a decent AMERICAN tax payer and hard worker . Lets keep the standard high here in NC.
I hope you realize that someone has to pay extra for the "decent"/cushy state jobs/pensions = higher taxes for middle class.
I'd much rather have the private industry provide real jobs for non critical sectors/industries, which don't have to be supported by taxpayers.
There is a reason people tend to move south from the many "decent" jobs offered up north (and weather is not the only reason).
For people complaining about lack of "decent" state/union jobs in the southern states, I have only one polite reply: - doing the same and expecting different results will never work...
Only thing is the private entrepreneurs arent going to create real jobs with real benefits .
I don't accept this.
With this theory, all private business disappears and we have state socialism. This notion didn't work out that well for the Soviets. IMO, there is no good reason for the state and county to be selling alcohol.
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