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In all fairness I also want to state that I believe the welfare system is second in line to the illegal problem. We have created a culture for those who don't want to work.
And au contraire Curmudgeon. You are half right. I DO have a bone to pick. But it's not with Corporate America per se. It's the hypocrital "Seventh Day Christians" I take the biggest issue with. Since the two groups tend to be comprised of the same people, it's easy to assume that one grudge directly begets the other. Not necessarily so. SOME corporations and their ethics-or rather the lack thereof-I find despiccable. But not all. There are actually some corporations and companies out there that still believe in an honest days pay for an honest days work.
I don't really want to take this discussion too much further off tangent than it already has, but the folks I find the most verbotten are...as I said....the Seventh Day Christians. These are people who profess to be good Christian folk. They make it a habit to go to the Saddleback and Calvary Chapels of the land in their flashy Escalades, making sure everyone sees them. They'll sit and pretend to pray and be interested in what the pastor has to say. Then after it's over, they wouldn't think twice about cutting you off and flipping you the bird even before you've left the church parking lot. And the other 6 days of the week? All bets are off; if throwing a thousand families out of work is what it takes to see their portfolios rise by a tenth of a percent, they will do it, not think twice, and will sleep at night like babies. I cannot think of any personality more shameful and moribund than that of those types of people. And south Orange County is LOADED with them.
Now understand what I'm saying here. In spite of the impression you might get above, I do very much love and respect Christianity. Though I don't subscribe to any particular oraganized sect. I guess that makes me an agnostic. Or at least non-denominational. And my politics are about as Libertarian as they come. I never liked the Democrats. The GOP under Bush and Co. pissed away the GOP's reputation-probably beyond salvagable repair to being little more than morally, ethically, and spiritually bankrupt Plutocrats.
Now back to myself. Except for a brief two month period in Summer of 2000, I have not been unemployed since 1994. I just bought a home and Escrow is to close next week. I have a great solid job that I'm happy with. Aside from the home, negligable debts. Plenty of savings. In short, life is good and I have few or no other personal complaints.
It's that one word that makes all the difference in the world. Most Conservatives, likewise not being stupid, will try to circumvent that "violation" by simply not asking or finding out. Thus on some purely superficial level, placating their "conscience".
As for "wanting them out", I agree with you 100%. Why do you think that so many CEO's, managers, etc. and others who are obsessed with the "bottom line" (who, incidentally are almost unilaterally Conservative in nature BTW) wholesale parted out our nations manufacturing infrastructure? Chinese prison labor is even cheaper than illegal Mexican labor. So I guess in that sense, you are right. After all, it makes good "business sense" to skip the American worker (who costs double that of the Illegal Mexican) and go straight to the Chinese or Indian one (who costs half of what the illegal Mexican one does).
Nowhere in your reply did I hear you say, suggest, or even imply that you would prefer to have American workers take their place.
Of course I would rather hire Americans and don't ask, let me tell you, if a bunch of guys or even gals showed up to do my lawns, house or whatever that did not speak English I would be the first to question their legality. I can assure you any of my conservative friends and most of my liberal friends would do the same, conservatives before liberals I may add.
As for us sending work to China or India, of course I hate it when I call internet tech and end up in India, but that is not what we are discussing right now.
That is a different situation. Maybe next time we have a thread about that I will jump in.
Fruit would cost more? Jesus, so what? Are apples going to go to $20 per if picked exclusively by Americans?
CEO's and managers are "almost unilaterally conservative"? "Most conservatives" will not attempt to discover the legal status of their employees? Really? You can document this?
Illegal immigration is not a conservative/liberal issue, in spite of your attempt to make it one. Everyone is sick of what it's doing to California and beyond. My liberal friends are as angry about what's happening as I am, and neither they nor I are engaging in the kind of activities you self-righteously tell everyone else to stop. The only people patronizing the taco shopping-cart that is wheeled into my apartment complex's courtyard every afternoon are other illegals.
"Jumping up and down having a fit and pointing the finger"? What do you call your entire post? "Spoiled and narcissistic brats"? I think I'm listening to one.
Sorry to sound so coarse.
Thanks, our son mowed lawns as well at about 8 or 9. It gave him spending money, we often have hired kids to do the same. As for CEOs hiring illegals, I retired from a major hotel chain, they would never hire an employee regardless of the job that did not have a green card. Yes, they are a conservative company or were before they were sold a few years ago. I do not know anything about the present owners.
And au contraire Curmudgeon. You are half right. I DO have a bone to pick. But it's not with Corporate America per se. It's the hypocrital "Seventh Day Christians" I take the biggest issue with. Since the two groups tend to be comprised of the same people, it's easy to assume that one grudge directly begets the other. Not necessarily so. SOME corporations and their ethics-or rather the lack thereof-I find despiccable. But not all. There are actually some corporations and companies out there that still believe in an honest days pay for an honest days work.
I don't really want to take this discussion too much further off tangent than it already has, but the folks I find the most verbotten are...as I said....the Seventh Day Christians. These are people who profess to be good Christian folk. They make it a habit to go to the Saddleback and Calvary Chapels of the land in their flashy Escalades, making sure everyone sees them. They'll sit and pretend to pray and be interested in what the pastor has to say. Then after it's over, they wouldn't think twice about cutting you off and flipping you the bird even before you've left the church parking lot. And the other 6 days of the week? All bets are off; if throwing a thousand families out of work is what it takes to see their portfolios rise by a tenth of a percent, they will do it, not think twice, and will sleep at night like babies. I cannot think of any personality more shameful and moribund than that of those types of people. And south Orange County is LOADED with them.
Now understand what I'm saying here. In spite of the impression you might get above, I do very much love and respect Christianity. Though I don't subscribe to any particular oraganized sect. I guess that makes me an agnostic. Or at least non-denominational. And my politics are about as Libertarian as they come. I never liked the Democrats. The GOP under Bush and Co. pissed away the GOP's reputation-probably beyond salvagable repair to being little more than morally, ethically, and spiritually bankrupt Plutocrats.
Now back to myself. Except for a brief two month period in Summer of 2000, I have not been unemployed since 1994. I just bought a home and Escrow is to close next week. I have a great solid job that I'm happy with. Aside from the home, negligable debts. Plenty of savings. In short, life is good and I have few or no other personal complaints.
What a crook of you know what, 7th day whatever has nothing to do with this thread and as for the republican party being sunk, think back to the democrats about 20 years ago.
Can anyone look at the state budget? If so how? I suppose even if you could look at it, you would need a year off work just to study it
Prior to getting elected to Congress McClintock analyzed each annual budget in detail, I think his background is accounting. He routinely found 20% to cut without even trying and without any actual reduction in level of service assuming structural changes could be made and redundancies eliminated (including the state jobs that went with them).
What a crook of you know what, 7th day whatever has nothing to do with this thread and as for the republican party being sunk, think back to the democrats about 20 years ago.
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I know it's OT and I acknowledged that. How does that make it a vessel of fertilizer? I mean if you think I'm wrong, by all means please tell me either here or by way of another discussion.
As for the GOP, get serious. They are insolvent and non viable as a serious opposition party in their present state, utterly bereft of any meaningful mission or purpose. Yes I know that there are a handful of good ones left like McClintock, but the party as a whole really needs to get its act together and get it together soon and reinvent their proverbial wheel.
Otherwise, they are going to go the way of the Whigs and find themselves in a cave repository to die a quiet death.
I said it above. I'm not a fan of the Democrats by any stretch of the imagination. I used to be a "Classic" Republican. Today, those people are called Libertarians. The GOP-what's left of it-is a little more than a group of zealots who spent the last 8 years pulling off the biggest swindle in human history. And seriously. How long is Darth Cheney going to be milking 9/11 as an excuse to continue to trample on the Constitution that they are so supposedly gung ho about?
I know it's OT and I acknowledged that. How does that make it a vessel of fertilizer? I mean if you think I'm wrong, by all means please tell me either here or by way of another discussion.
As for the GOP, get serious. They are insolvent and non viable as a serious opposition party in their present state, utterly bereft of any meaningful mission or purpose. Yes I know that there are a handful of good ones left like McClintock, but the party as a whole really needs to get its act together and get it together soon and reinvent their proverbial wheel.
Otherwise, they are going to go the way of the Whigs and find themselves in a cave repository to die a quiet death.
I said it above. I'm not a fan of the Democrats by any stretch of the imagination. I used to be a "Classic" Republican. Today, those people are called Libertarians. The GOP-what's left of it-is a little more than a group of zealots who spent the last 8 years pulling off the biggest swindle in human history. And seriously. How long is Darth Cheney going to be milking 9/11 as an excuse to continue to trample on the Constitution that they are so supposedly gung ho about?
Give me a freaking break here.
Let's wait and see what happens in 2010 and 2012? A lot of people said the democrats were a thing of the past, didn't happen, that is for sure. To be honest, I would wager everything I don't have on the libertarian party and independents in the future, but not in my life time. I think many of us go to the polls, not wanting to waste a vote so we vote for the candidate that has a chance. My solution, not that it will happen in the near future, let a true libertarian run as a republican or even democrat, after they are elected, switch their party affiliation to Libertarian. Maybe that would get things started.
As for the 7th day whatever, I assume you are referring to the 7th day Adventist or maybe just the right wing religious groups, my point was, that has little to do with this particular thread.
There are a lot of libertarians in Oklahoma. I would think because they want less government that they would be closer to a republican than a democrat. Am I right? People voted for change and that is about all they will have in their pockets if we keep going socialistict. Some times in the afternoon I'll turn on Glen Beck, isn't he a libertarian? A democrat senitor today issued a bill that would be a hidden tax on everything, maybe up to 25percent. I had lived oversees for 7 years and they have that tax. Thanks to our government, I was able to live in upper class oversees and I am telling you their upper class is not as good as our lower class. Those people are taxed to death. I just pray we do not become European. I almost lost a daughter in Berlin because of their socialized medicine. Luckily, I was able to get an American doctor after they gave her a 50 percent chance of even pulling through the night, and with American medicine I could see the color coming back into her face. You do not want universal medicine.
I guess I just went off topic. Sorry
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