Bay Area Regional Leaders Propose $1.4T Plan To Address Housing and Transit Issues; Universal Basic Income (job openings, elementary school)

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by cb73

Really? "For being an American?"

Perhaps you've never heard of the California Stimulus currently being sent out. $600 to Americans. $1000 to illegals.

Do you really think this UBI will only go to Americans???

Just like when California started paying more in monthly welfare checks than other states, and we magically ended up with nearly 1/3 of the country's welfare recipients. If this goes through, those areas will be flooded with illegals for the free paycheck.

But I guess the rest of the state can afford it. Right?

Your post is full of right wing echo chamber nonsense. Please step away from the internet/tv

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by cb73

Really? "For being an American?"

Perhaps you've never heard of the California Stimulus currently being sent out. $600 to Americans. $1000 to illegals.

Do you really think this UBI will only go to Americans???

Just like when California started paying more in monthly welfare checks than other states, and we magically ended up with nearly 1/3 of the country's welfare recipients. If this goes through, those areas will be flooded with illegals for the free paycheck.

But I guess the rest of the state can afford it. Right?

My summary of the general, contemporary concept of UBI says: yes, a “Freedom Dividend”, as Andrew Yang labeled it, for being an American. A dividend of the world’s most powerful economy.

That said, the California Stimulus is an entirely different program … no relationship, so no equivalency exists. Don’t conflate unrelated things.

UBI is structured to go to US citizens over 18. Yes. It is not welfare. And illegals will have no path to receiving UBI.

I’d have to read this California proposal to know of it might vary from former proposals for national UBI.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by cb73

Really? "For being an American?"

Perhaps you've never heard of the California Stimulus currently being sent out. $600 to Americans. $1000 to illegals.

Do you really think this UBI will only go to Americans???

Just like when California started paying more in monthly welfare checks than other states, and we magically ended up with nearly 1/3 of the country's welfare recipients. If this goes through, those areas will be flooded with illegals for the free paycheck.

But I guess the rest of the state can afford it. Right?

For everyone complaining about this, they overlook the fact that these types of stimuli will go straight back into the economy. Those who are struggling to survive WILL use this money for buying food and other household necessities.

Compare this to the tax breaks for the rich, that Republicans like to tout. Trickle down economics doesn't work. They just take these benefits and put them in investments, which doesn't benefit the society as a whole. They claim that they're pro-business and economy, but in reality, they're all about lining their pocketbooks.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

100% This^

Apparently, the plan for UBI extends beyond the Bay Area. The proposal is to allocate a monthly payment og $500 to every man, woman and child in the state.

In a way tho, I am of a similar mindset as ysr_racer in the sense that people like me don't really need this so we shouldnt be included. Why dont we cut off these payments at people earning under $100,000 for a single person tax filer, and under $200,000 for a joint-couple tax filer. Them and their dependents?

I get the sentiment. But I subscribe to the reasoning of full inclusivity as a way to shut up the ignorant protestations and misrepresentations of persons like ysr_racer. It’s not welfare. It’s an equal dividend.

A nice angle might be to create an “opt-out” contribution mechanism for those who are well off to kick back what they don’t need.

[Des-Lab]

Originally Posted by cb73

But I guess the rest of the state can afford it. Right?

The poor aren't going to pay it; this is who it is designed to help. The Zucks and Musks of the world sure aren't going to pay it.

So who is?

YOU, the middle class worker probably earning somewhere between $60k-$150k a year, are the one that's going to pay it.

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

For everyone complaining about this, they overlook the fact that these types of stimuli will go straight back into the economy. Those who are struggling to survive WILL use this money for buying food and other household necessities.

The problem with this reasoning is that it's total BS. Unless some extra dollars are just going to magically appear out of thin air, it's a zero sum game. Meaning that these dollars will only be spent by taking someone elses dollars first. Meaning that's money that someone else WON'T be spending.

[ysr_racer]

There's no such thing as free, SOMEBODY always has to pay for it.

Typical democrat, you're great at spending MY money.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

There's no such thing as free, SOMEBODY always has to pay for it.

Typical democrat, you're great at spending MY money.

No one called it “free’ … except you, because you don’t have any understanding of it. Just a knee-jerk reaction.

And I’m not a Democrat. Never have been. Just a logician.

You're already paying for it … into wasteful welfare programs. UBI reallocates equally. Just think, ysr, you get more money to buy that expensive gas you complain about for your Bentley.

[ysr_racer]

That money has to come from some place. Maybe my taxes?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Des-Lab

The poor aren't going to pay it; this is who it is designed to help. The Zucks and Musks of the world sure aren't going to pay it.

So who is?

YOU, the middle class worker probably earning somewhere between $60k-$150k a year, are the one that's going to pay it.



The problem with this reasoning is that it's total BS. Unless some extra dollars are just going to magically appear out of thin air, it's a zero sum game. Meaning that these dollars will only be spent by taking someone elses dollars first. Meaning that's money that someone else WON'T be spending.

None of it is bs. If you’d bother to study the history and concept you might learn something.

As for who pays for it, you are already paying for it. And beyond the amount of budgeting realized from converting welfare funding to UBI the modern proposals call for various transactional taxation such as fractional amounts out of financial investment trading (such as stocks), and especially internet commerce transactions which now are making Jeff Bezos richer than anyone in history every minute. Pretty sure Amazon can afford to pay a share …. especially considering how it has decimated brick and mortar retail / employment.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

That money has to come from some place. Maybe my taxes?

This is the information age ysr. Why not study up?