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Old 10-19-2020, 07:50 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Government agency will investigate Trump administration political influence over FDA, CDC
[i] An independent government watchdog agency has agreed to investigate alleged political influence from the Trump administration over the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration.
Conspiracy theories.... So the CDC is tainted now. You and bloom. Sheesh

 
Old 10-19-2020, 07:52 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Conspiracy theories.... So the CDC is tainted now. You and bloom. Sheesh
It’s not a conspiracy theory ... it’s meddling right out in the open ... so much so that even the GOP controlled senate wants Trump’s meddling investigated. This isn’t hidden.
 
Old 10-19-2020, 07:54 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Conspiracy theories.... So the CDC is tainted now. You and bloom. Sheesh
Investigation launched into Trump’s 'political interference' in CDC and FDA's coronavirus work
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1160766.html
 
Old 10-19-2020, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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There is a cure, take the medicine that Trump took. Communist dictator Newsom won't allow the vaccine in order to keep the hysteria going as long as possible.
 
Old 10-19-2020, 08:00 PM
 
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My hatred of Trump is based on his actions. Perhaps you haven’t been paying attention?

Government agency will investigate Trump administration political influence over FDA, CDC
An independent government watchdog agency has agreed to investigate alleged political influence from the Trump administration over the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration.

The Government Accountability Office, an independent legislative agency that investigates, audits and evaluates government operations for Congress, accepted a Senate request on Monday to examine potential political interference and "determine whether this interference has violated the agencies’ scientific integrity and communication policies.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...dc/5981174002/

Note the bold above: the [GOP] controlled Senate is concerned enough with Trump’s meddling to trigger an investigation.

But wait, there’s more ...

Exclusive: FDA enforcement actions plummet under Trump From monitoring clinical trials and approving medicines and vaccines, to ensuring the safety of blood transfusions, medical devices, groceries, and more, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is one of the nation’s most vital watchdogs. By several measures, however, FDA’s compliance and enforcement actions have plummeted since President Donald Trump took office, Science has found.

The agency’s “warning letters”—a key tool for keeping dangerous or ineffective drugs and devices and tainted foods off the market—have fallen by one-third, for example. Such letters typically demand swift corrections to protect public health and safety. FDA records from Trump’s inauguration through 22 May show the agency issued 1033 warning letters, compared with 1532 for the most recent equivalent period under former President Barack Obama. Compared with the start of the Obama presidency, Trump-era letters dropped by nearly half.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019...et-under-trump


Oh, but actually I can go on and on and on .
I can also go on and on about Newsom’s punitive actions that have nothing to do with science and how he keeps moving the goalposts.

I think youve been watching Trump so carefully, you haven’t been paying attention to Newsom. At this point, I trust the federal government over Newsom by far.
 
Old 10-19-2020, 08:08 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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I can also go on and on about Newsom’s punitive actions that have nothing to do with science and how he keeps moving the goalposts.

I think youve been watching Trump so carefully, you haven’t been paying attention to Newsom. At this point, I trust the federal government over Newsom by far.
I just linked investigative reporting of Trump’s interference with the FDA and CDC.

Your turn to link us with Newsom’s interference with science.
 
Old 10-19-2020, 08:16 PM
 
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I just linked investigative reporting of Trump’s interference with the FDA and CDC.

Your turn to link us with Newsom’s interference with science.
Newsom got upset with one crowd at a beach and decided to close all beaches. That’s punitive. There’s no science behind it. He got angry and decide to spank the state. If one beach had an unreasonable crowd, then you deal with that beach.

And why isn’t there a color code with no restrictions? So no, I don’t think Newsom has our best interest at heart. It’s all about power. He wants to keep it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...5-ee3657139a66
 
Old 10-19-2020, 08:44 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Newsom got upset with one crowd at a beach and decided to close all beaches. That’s punitive. There’s no science behind it. He got angry and decide to spank the state. If one beach had an unreasonable crowd, then you deal with that beach.

And why isn’t there a color code with no restrictions? So no, I don’t think Newsom has our best interest at heart. It’s all about power. He wants to keep it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...5-ee3657139a66
Well Mike, we were discussing endangering the public by discounting and manipulating science. I don’t agree Newsom is interested in being “punitive” to exercise and keep power. Because being punitive isn’t a path to holding power. But in any case, those actions you describe don’t endanger people’s lives.
 
Old 10-19-2020, 08:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego Native
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I wonder if that’s even legal. For sure they’ll be multiple lawsuits if it gets that far.

There already are. If you go to assemblyman Kevin Kiley's (mentioned in the link you posted above) website, you can read several briefs filed last week for his case against Newsom's overuse of the emergency powers act.
 
Old 10-19-2020, 09:01 PM
 
Location: San Diego Native
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Well Mike, we were discussing endangering the public by discounting and manipulating science. I don’t agree Newsom is interested in being “punitive” to exercise and keep power. Because being punitive isn’t a path to holding power. But in any case, those actions you describe don’t endanger people’s lives.

There's no evidence that a vaccine cleared by the FDA would endanger anyone's lives and yet our governor is posturing as if that's a foregone conclusion, thus the appointed state approval board. Why do we need this unnecessary and redundant layer of validation? How bad will it look if California is way behind the curve for achieving immunity when we're forced to wait for evidence over and above existing evidence of its efficacy and safety? Those are the jobs of the FDA, not a group of specialists who only the governor is allowed to choose.
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