Even profitable firms fleeing California (Sacramento, Galt: bankrupt, public schools, college)

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

I do recall you and I coming to some terms on some issues ... but I don't think there is a political agenda / conspiracy to kill the goose ... no. I think it is all just a free-for-all out there of personal interests and self-aggrandizement. And the very worst approach to balancing it (it can't be cured -- part of human nature) is the conservative "agenda". Talk about the common man being sold down the river! How these sociopathic individuals who wear their conservative Halloween costume to fool everyday joes into doing their dirty work is a mind-boggling masterpiece of dramatic fiction, Don. Robbing the people who support them and making them think it is for their own good.

But isn't that exactly what's going on?

Explain what the conservative agenda is? ... and what their dirty work is?

[TimC2462]

Not this $h!t again.

[jeffredo]

Its a political editorial in the Orange County Register. Consider the source before you do a "Chicken Little".

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Don9

I don't see any articles complementing California's government politicians or the direction California is going.

Yet there's been an effort to turn things around. Business Leaders Respond to Governor Brown’s California Jobs First Plan : Thu, 25 Aug 2011 : California Newswire™

And just yesterday, political columnist George Skelton wrote that Gov Brown could be graded a "B" for his performance during his first year, given what he inherited when he took the job. Failure does not warrant an F - latimes.com

[gone down south]

Most of the East Coast IS basically a single metro area at this point - at least the Boston/DC corridor.

[SportyandMisty]

Remember: the taxpayers in California exist for one reason and one reason only: to pay for the outsized wages, gold-plated pensions & Cadillac health-care of public sector unionized "servants".

Just like the plant from Little Shop of Horrors, the public sector says "FEED ME."

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Yet there's been an effort to turn things around. Business Leaders Respond to Governor Brown’s California Jobs First Plan : Thu, 25 Aug 2011 : California Newswire™

And just yesterday, political columnist George Skelton wrote that Gov Brown could be graded a "B" for his performance during his first year, given what he inherited when he took the job. Failure does not warrant an F - latimes.com

The California initial UI claims for November was ~280,000, up 11,000 from October
The California U6 unemployment rate is 21.6%, 2nd worse in the nation only to Nevada

U-6, total unemployed, plus all marginally attached workers, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers.

California is bleeding jobs and the politicians, California talking heads and mainstream media throw out mass propaganda to fool the people.

California child homeless rate remains high, according to new report

More than 330,000 children in California are reportedly homeless, according to a new report that came out today from the National Center on Family Homelessness.

The state was one of the worst in the nation for the number of homeless children, according to America's Youngest Outcasts 2010, which documented the number of homeless children in every state and ranked those states. California was 46th of the 50 states for its high number.

The number in California did fall from nearly 500,000 to 334,131, according to the report. However, that information was likely under-counted as the data collection procedure changed in California, reducing the state's reported total by 162,822 children in a single year, according to the executive summary that accompanied the report.

In total throughout the nation there are about 1.6 million children were homeless in 2010. It equates to one of every 45 children being homeless.

The Business Exodus

The relocation of Waste Connections is just one example of the continual exodus of business out of California. Other companies departing to more business-friendly climates include Fairfield’s Copart Inc, which recently announced its move to Dallas in 2012, and Hewlett-Packard, which relocated to Houston in 2003. Both companies cited lower operating costs and regulatory burdens in other states as primary reasons in their decision to relocate.

[nullgeo]

Don, the point several respondents (including moi) is trying to make is that none of what you are posting supports your hyperbolic headline that "even Profitable firms are Fleeing California." This headline of yours infers that no business can be happy in CA. Which is nonsense. And all your protestations of homeless children, unemployment filings, budget deficits, etc etc etc ad nauseum do not support your title premise.

For instance: Nevada and Michigan also have dismal unemployment rates. Nevada worse than California. Yet Nevada is not business unfriendly and certainly Michigan is not ... both states bend over to get any new business they can. Homelessness is worse in Oregon and Hawaii than CA yet those are business friendly states, as well. Other states have terrible budgetary deficit problems without being "business unfriendly". Correlate the claim to actual facts, Don ... that's the point.

If California regulatory laws are tough on certain types of manufacturing -- say because of California committing to being environmentally progressive (you know: like wanting to protect its citizens from all the smog that used to plague LA), it certainly isn't unfriendly to education businesses, investment management businesses, agricultural business, medical businesses, and others.

Now you have added yet another non-fact-based "report" to support your unverified opinion: "the Business Exodus" from, none other than Senator Mimi Walters. This is not investigative reporting. This is political agenda newsletter hype. Get some facts and figures together for us if you expect us to take your position seriously. You are quoting one Chicken Little after another here.

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Don, the point several respondents (including moi) is trying to make is that none of what you are posting supports your hyperbolic headline that "even Profitable firms are Fleeing California." This headline of yours infers that no business can be happy in CA. Which is nonsense. And all your protestations of homeless children, unemployment filings, budget deficits, etc etc etc ad nauseum do not support your title premise.

For instance: Nevada and Michigan also have dismal unemployment rates. Nevada worse than California. Yet Nevada is not business unfriendly and certainly Michigan is not ... both states bend over to get any new business they can. Homelessness is worse in Oregon and Hawaii than CA yet those are business friendly states, as well. Other states have terrible budgetary deficit problems without being "business unfriendly". Correlate the claim to actual facts, Don ... that's the point.

If California regulatory laws are tough on certain types of manufacturing -- say because of California committing to being environmentally progressive (you know: like wanting to protect its citizens from all the smog that used to plague LA), it certainly isn't unfriendly to education businesses, investment management businesses, agricultural business, medical businesses, and others.

Now you have added yet another non-fact-based "report" to support your unverified opinion: "the Business Exodus" from, none other than Senator Mimi Walters. This is not investigative reporting. This is political agenda newsletter hype. Get some facts and figures together for us if you expect us to take your position seriously. You are quoting one Chicken Little after another here.

If you want to provide proof that my posts contain incorrect information then have at it. I'm not going to stop you.

The more you attempt to discredit my posts and sidetrack the true points the more you look like the corrupt politicians and biased mainstream media who are covering for the failed policies and the devastation it leaves.

Do you really think the people of California don't see and feel the pain as a result of our corrupt progressive liberal government. Do you really think people believe your assertions that California is fine and heading down the right path so don't complain? What planet do you live on? The mainstream media might have you believing the propaganda but don't try and pass it on to the rest of us. We are not all brainwashed citizens who are giddy with our politicians progressive liberal agenda. I'm not even talking conservative vs progressive liberal ... I'm just talking California families trying live, trying to maintain a job and household to raise their children ... just trying to survive without the threat more layoff's and more increase in the cost of living.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by Don9

If you want to provide proof that my posts contain incorrect information then have at it. I'm not going to stop you.

The more you attempt to discredit my posts and sidetrack the true points the more you look like the corrupt politicians and biased mainstream media who are covering for the failed policies and the devastation it leaves.

Do you really think the people of California don't see and feel the pain as a result of our corrupt progressive liberal government. Do you really think people believe your assertions that California is fine and heading down the right path so don't complain? What planet do you live on? The mainstream media might have you believing the propaganda but don't try and pass it on to the rest of us. We are not all brainwashed citizens who are giddy with our politicians progressive liberal agenda. I'm not even talking conservative vs progressive liberal ... I'm just talking California families trying live, trying to maintain a job and household to raise their children ... just trying to survive without the threat more layoff's and more increase in the cost of living.

Lots to unbundle here...so many assumptions and straw men. Despite your disclaimer, you sound extremely zealous to turn fire in purely ideological terms.

What mainstream media organization is promoting the "progressive liberal agenda" at the state level?