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Then i guess you need to show us all how it's done, because everyone(except for you, apparently) has always associated the 301/305/307 with turd.
HAVE YOU EVER REBUILT ANY ENGINE YOURSELF? I already stated what was done to the engine. Today we dyno'ed another 301 based engine, this one witha stock turbo crank, 6.136" rods, off the shelf pistons with the right pin location for a different listed engine, Cam is a 200@ .050" lift duration on the intake, with 1942 .050" LIFT DURATION ON THE EXHAUST WITH .440" LIFT AT THE VALVE. How much power do you think it made?
HAVE YOU EVER REBUILT ANY ENGINE YOURSELF? I already stated what was done to the engine. Today we dyno'ed another 301 based engine, this one witha stock turbo crank, 6.136" rods, off the shelf pistons with the right pin location for a different listed engine, Cam is a 200@ .050" lift duration on the intake, with 1942 .050" LIFT DURATION ON THE EXHAUST WITH .440" LIFT AT THE VALVE. How much power do you think it made?
You can state whatever you wish, this is the internet. Until we see it for ourselves, it's difficult to believe that a 301 with 2K invested will put out >400 horses.
It was a mild 204/214 .420/442 It woke the engine up quite a bit but it was still a piece of ****. You can make ANY engine fast with enough $$
That generic cam has never made any power in any engine it's ever been used in. Seriously, I've worked with the Pontiac V8's for 30 years, and that is one cam I will never use. Here's why I suspect you bought it; it was cheap, maybe 50 bucks? That cam has no "area under the curve" in it's poorly designed lobe profile. The other factor in that cam is the exhuast duration spread is twice what it should be. (yes I am sure you've heard the Pontiacs have to have alot more duration on the exhaust bs). Without getting too technical, under 4500 rpm there is no excuse to have a long exhaust duration in any Pontiac engine. On the 301, that moves to never under 6000 rpm.
As for making any engine fast with enough $, yes you can.
You can state whatever you wish, this is the internet. Until we see it for ourselves, it's difficult to believe that a 301 with 2K invested will put out >400 horses.
then you figure up the cost of the parts, add $250 for the basic machine work done on it,(which includes turning the crank-the guy turns any crank for $95 and has been turning cranks for over 40 years. Yes, he's very good) along with $200 for balancing, what do you come up with? The rods were $300.96, pistons, moly rings, bearings, and gasket rebuild kit came to $481.46, cam and lifters in the kit which included the springs was $235.68,heads to do would cost you $438.27,the oil pump was $65.40, and everything else was good stock parts. Unlike a small block chevy or ford, there is no grinding on the block that needs to be done for clearance.
Now you have the numbers, cost of everything, and I bet you still don't want to believe it. When do you want yours built?
then you figure up the cost of the parts, add $250 for the basic machine work done on it,(which includes turning the crank-the guy turns any crank for $95 and has been turning cranks for over 40 years. Yes, he's very good) along with $200 for balancing, what do you come up with? The rods were $300.96, pistons, moly rings, bearings, and gasket rebuild kit came to $481.46, cam and lifters in the kit which included the springs was $235.68,heads to do would cost you $438.27,the oil pump was $65.40, and everything else was good stock parts. Unlike a small block chevy or ford, there is no grinding on the block that needs to be done for clearance.
Now you have the numbers, cost of everything, and I bet you still don't want to believe it. When do you want yours built?
Your numbers so far add up to 2K for a short block. I don't see the numbers for the cost of the actual block or the 389 crank, which isn't exactly the easiest thing to find btw. What kind of work on those 301 heads are you getting for that charge?
The car is up and running with the 3.8 which has plenty of power. We have some odds and ends to do to it, but it was a great deal. By the time we are done with everything the car will end up costing $2000. It's nice b/c it has power windows, A/C, power steering and power brakes. Once we get it painted in the next couple of weeks, I'll get some pics up.
Everytime we stop somewhere, we constantly have ppl coming up to us asking us about the car and wanting to buy it.
Not sure of what kind of budget you are on, or what you want to spend, but I have kinda figured you are in central FL, because some of the cars you have posted are in central Florida... I found this NICE car on Craigslist for $2000, OBO. Really nice, but not sure if you wanted to go this much or not. These are one of the best Ford Motor company cars made in the 70s. This one would have power steering, power brakes, A/C, etc.
1978 Lincoln Mercury!! (http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/1810910063.html - broken link) (says Lincoln-Mercury, but its actually a Mercury Marquis)
Now thats a nice car & VERY comfortable. Its also loaded but poor on mpg. I notice it has a 8 track stereo tape deck & only 77k orig miles. I bet he could get it for 1500.00 cash.
Your numbers so far add up to 2K for a short block. I don't see the numbers for the cost of the actual block or the 389 crank, which isn't exactly the easiest thing to find btw. What kind of work on those 301 heads are you getting for that charge?
the 326, 350, 389, and 400's use the same crank, and actuly any of them can be used. i admit i have a few of them lying around and that was the first 1 closest to the shed door and I picked it up and off to the crank shop. Blocks are like any other engine, in fact they are cheaper than if you went and bought a not windowed sbc. the heads got 16 new stock replacement valves, guides, and surfaced, 3 angle valve job, light bowl work because the material isn't there to do real porting with and assembled. Noting fancy. This block was actuly given to me. But my cost list was the rebuild as most people who are rebuilding already have what they want to rebuild. Intake was stock. again, nothing fancy. There would be more power in say an msd or mallory distributor as opposed to the stock hei with lighter advance springs.
The car is up and running with the 3.8 which has plenty of power. We have some odds and ends to do to it, but it was a great deal. By the time we are done with everything the car will end up costing $2000. It's nice b/c it has power windows, A/C, power steering and power brakes. Once we get it painted in the next couple of weeks, I'll get some pics up.
Everytime we stop somewhere, we constantly have ppl coming up to us asking us about the car and wanting to buy it.
congrats
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