02-12-2014, 08:09 AM
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It is slightly different now. At the time, I called the admissions team to gently remind them that single never married people are parents too and their application would not allow me to submit without filling out information for a second parent (I'm sure cementing my kid's chances of never going there). The director apologized and told me they were using an older template and they planned to update that section. So at least I made them aware of the issue. I just thought that Westminster was purposely trying to keep out any kids not part of a typical nuclear family. Also, every school I looked at asked for a pic of your kid, but Westminster is the only one that asks for a pic of your kid AND a pic of the entire family. That combined with the questionnaire made me a little suspicious.
Chabang...I also wondered about the family photo. Not sure why they asked for it.
There is another question that almost all private school applications seem to ask...."Have you applied to our school before".
I can't understand why this question is asked. Can anyone shed any light on this
02-12-2014, 08:23 AM
Location: Dunwoody,GA
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I think that they ask that question because some schools actually give some degree of preference to previous applicants who weren't admitted during the year in which they applied (often due to lack of space in non-expansion grades), but were deemed as good applicants. I know that's the case at Schenck (which is, admittedly, a specialty school, but also very competitive in terms of admissions due to space issues).
02-12-2014, 08:27 AM
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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The family photo? They make a big poster with it and put it on the walls of school as a welcome to the students on their first day. It's not anything nefarious.
02-12-2014, 08:49 AM
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Wow, this is great advice. Thank you. Do you mean average or average for Westminster? Obviously two different things. And congrats to your daughter on her success. She finished Westminster with almost all A's. I just cannot understand how much more a college could ask for. I guess colleges don't consider as much the rigor of the program? I guess that may be too difficult to do.
They do consider the rigor and they consider the student and what courses they took compared to the rigor. I wonder where in the class the 3.6 child ranked.
Keep in mind that a school full of achieving students are more likely to "earn" As. It is a rare teacher who curves downward because so many students perform well....
I want you to look at the Westminster profile for a recent graduating class. Look at the grade distribution -- really heavy on As. I am guessing that most pubic schools don't have that high of a percentage of As. (Simply because they educate a wide variety of students from a huge variety of families.)
http://www.westminster.net/ftpimages...on_Profile.pdf
Also, be sure to look at where the kids went to college. Maybe 15 or so at an Ivy plus MIT or Stanford. Given the economic affluence of most of the families, the education level of the parents (plus where they went to college), etc, it is not surprising.
02-12-2014, 09:06 AM
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I was trying to find out where Grady grads are most likely to go which I couldn't, but Grady does have a college prep handout for students that lists the GPA for entering students if I'm reading correctly. The average GPA for entering UGA students is 3.82 (wow is all I can say), that's very close to Emory (3.84) and Georgia Tech (3.8). I was also surprised at some southern colleges. For example Univ of SC has entering GPA of 4! and Univ of Florida 4.2. My kid might be going to my alma mater which is Mississippi State Univ (entering GPA of 3.29). :roll eyes:
02-12-2014, 09:39 AM
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Here is the Grady Profile
They list acceptances, not attending, so it is a bit tricky to know how many students were accepted to the top schools as I said above. However, I think this is a really impressive list. It speaks to the quality of potential peers and it speaks well.
http://www.atlanta.k12.ga.us/cms/lib...%20Profile.pdf
02-12-2014, 11:22 AM
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Here is the Grady Profile
They list acceptances, not attending, so it is a bit tricky to know how many students were accepted to the top schools as I said above. However, I think this is a really impressive list. It speaks to the quality of potential peers and it speaks well.
http://www.atlanta.k12.ga.us/cms/lib...%20Profile.pdf
I would think the good public high schools are comparable to the private schools.
02-12-2014, 12:11 PM
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I'm beginning to feel that in all the schools (public or private)...the very top tier of students get into the very top tier of colleges. The schools that they go to get the credit...but in my opinion, the underlying factor that drives their success is the student themselves. They are probably hardworking, focused, goal oriented, and ambitious.
02-12-2014, 01:07 PM
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SNSH, we had this discussion maybe about a year ago (why parents send their kids to private if they are not going to ivies afterward given the financial investment). You can do a search as it was really, really insightful. I think I started the post. What I have learned is that people (at least the majority of those on the C-D boards sending their kids to private) do not do so to give their kids a better chance of getting into an ivy. They just want their kids in a private school environment based on factors such as small class size.
My understanding was similar to yours - if you spend 200K for private, it is to put them into a college they wouldn't be able to go to without the private school education. Otherwise, what am I paying 200K for? However, what I have learned is that the privates are so competitive that the reality is that it may actually place the kid at a slight disadvantage when it comes time to apply to college because the kid cannot stand out like he/she might if he was at a public school with a wider distribution of kids with all types of abilities. I am talking the normal high school with a wide distribution of kids, not a school like Northview, which I consider to be more of an anomaly as public high schools go.
This is why I have heard that some parents actually pull their kids out from private for 11th and 12th grade and let them go to the neighborhood public school - so they can shine more and improve chances of getting into really good college. Also, some colleges do not want to take too many students from one school so they pull their kid out and send them to the neighborhood school and their kid may be the only one with the academic prowess to get into the ivy. Wham! Admission to an ivy.
There is quite a bit of thinking and strategy that apparently goes into this process.
I think it is a little bit too bad that colleges will look at a kid with a 3.6 from Westminster and wait list the student. I am sure that 3.6 from Westminster was probably harder to come by than a 3.6 from many public schools from which 3.6 GPA students were admitted to UGA. However, the reality is that if they really preferred kids from private schools bc the program may be more challenging, parents could effectively buy their kid's way into a program and the public school students would be left behind. It's not really fair (although colleges always want to know if your parents are alums and that is a little unfair too to the candidates whose parents are not alums but I digress).
I guess it boils down to, parents can send their kids to private but know that they may be at a disadvantage when it comes time to apply to college. Interesting twist, I think, and one that I am struggling to get over because I really would like for our kid to go private having seen all of the mess of public school education from the inside. I guess you just gotta send them to private because you want them in the small class size, like many on this board have indicated.
Can I just say that I not being from Georgia, I really have no idea what state schools are considered prestigious and which are not, other than Georgia Tech. But GTech is on a national stage. It's not a regional school. I guess UGA, USC and Bama are considered prestigious. Or are they? For example, are they even on par with Vanderbilt, Duke?
What are the prestigious state schools in the southeast?
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02-12-2014, 01:57 PM
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I'm beginning to feel that in all the schools (public or private)...the very top tier of students get into the very top tier of colleges. The schools that they go to get the credit...but in my opinion, the underlying factor that drives their success is the student themselves. They are probably hardworking, focused, goal oriented, and ambitious.
I think that is absolutely 100% correct.
And what constitutes a "top tier" student is clearly more than just grades and what high school they attended.
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People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)