Design Your Own MARTA Expansion (Lawrenceville, Jonesboro: system, great, amount)

[tikigod311]

Originally Posted by bu2

When the Red line gets extended, that map makes it clear what a huge gap there is to the northwest.

They probably should shift the map legend over to the left side to make use of the free space

[tikigod311]

Hope that was you, forthwarden, posting to r/atlanta this morning. Hope nobody was stealing your work!

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by tikigod311

They probably should shift the map legend over to the left side to make use of the free space

Naw, I got plans for that North West cornner.

[tikigod311]

I thought this was a realistic possibilities map

[bu2]

Originally Posted by tikigod311

I thought this was a realistic possibilities map

The Cumberland Improvement District is fighting for mass transit. They are seeing a decline relative to the Perimeter Mall area. The Braves are going to want something. It will happen. But Gwinnett will probably happen first.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by tikigod311

Hope that was you, forthwarden, posting to r/atlanta this morning. Hope nobody was stealing your work!

Yeup, it was me!

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by tikigod311

I thought this was a realistic possibilities map

Well, MARTA could, at the least, get rail to cumberland, and a top-end perimeter line would mostly fall inside city of Atlanta and Fulton County.

If Cobb decided to build out anything on rails, they would, as The Atlanta Streetcar did, have to have MARTA on as contracted consultants/opperators for a time before they were given full control by the FTA over the cobb pky line.

That's mostly what i mean.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by tikigod311

They probably should shift the map legend over to the left side to make use of the free space

That's the black hole of transit known as Cobb County. They believe all good God-fearing white people should drive a SUV, alone.

[Born 2 Roll]

Excellent MARTA rail transit expansion concepts by fourthwarden!

I think that Gold Line that fourthwarden proposed on his map will eventually be extended from the Gwinnett Place area to the Gwinnett Center complex area (especially seeing as though Gwinnett boosters desperately want rail transit access to the Gwinnett Center complex area) and the Mall of Georgia area.

I also like the proposed Peach lines that fourthwarden drew on his map in Gwinnett County out to Buford (by way of the NS/Southern Railway corridor) and Dacula and in Clayton County down to Lovejoy.

I think that south Peach Line will be extended south to Hampton where it will service the major event center at the Atlanta Motor Speedway.

I think that the proposed Peach-colored line to Buford will likely be extended just a few miles to the north so that there will be a stop for the popular recreation/resort area at Lake Lanier.

I think that the Peach-colored line that is proposed to operate out to Dacula will be upgraded to a state-operated regional high-capacity rail transit line (regional HRT, express/commuter rail) that will operate between the Atlanta Airport and the University of Georgia at Athens (...the famed "Brain Train" line that is proposed to connect the Atlanta University Center, Georgia State University, Georgia Tech, Emory University, Georgia Gwinnett College and the University of Georgia...a line which has the potential to be one of the most-popular rail transit lines in the entire Western Hemisphere).

And I think that all three of the Peach-colored lines that fourthwarden drew on his map will likely all operate as regional Heavy Rail Transit lines (with regional commuter rail service in the form of express HRT trains where applicable).

Originally Posted by bu2

The Cumberland Improvement District is fighting for mass transit. They are seeing a decline relative to the Perimeter Mall area. The Braves are going to want something. It will happen. But Gwinnett will probably happen first.

This is an excellent point.

I agree that there is a good chance that high-capacity passenger rail transit service will eventually be implemented to the Cumberland area.

I also agree that the construction of the new Braves' stadium likely increases the possibility that rail transit service will eventually be implemented to the Cumberland area.

Though, I think if rail transit service is ever to be implemented to the Cumberland area and traditionally transit-averse areas like Cobb and Gwinnett counties, that the State of Georgia is likely going to have to play a major role (if not the lead role) in helping to get rail transit service operating in areas outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties.

Not only do I think that areas like Cumberland (and Cobb County) and Gwinnett County, etc, will eventually receive rail transit service, I think that a line may likely connect Cobb and Gwinnett counties by way of the I-285 Top End Perimeter (by way of Cumberland, Perimeter Center and Doraville).

I think that such an east-west Cobb/Gwinnett/I-285 Top End rail transit corridor will operate between Acworth and Buford and eventually even between Cartersville and Gainesville as a regional Heavy Rail Transit line that potentially also provides regional commuter service in the form of express regional HRT trains.

I also think that such an east-west Cobb/Gwinnett/I-285 Top End rail transit corridor will likely be funded with a large-scale state-commissioned P3 (Public-Private Partnership).

In regards to providing the Cumberland area (and Cobb County) with north-south connectivity to Central Atlanta, I think that the Cumberland area (and Cobb County) may eventually receive TWO (or three) north-south high-capacity passenger rail transit connections to Atlanta, one via I-75 and the US 41 Cobb Parkway corridor and one via the CSX-W&A Railroad/Marietta Blvd/Marietta Street corridor.

I think that, like the probable east-west line, the two potential north-south lines will likely be regional HRT lines that potentially carry regional commuter rail service in the form of express regional HRT trains.

Local regional HRT service will operate on all three potential N-S Cobb HRT corridors between Cartersville and ATL Airport, and between Canton and ATL Airport, while express/regional/interurban train service will operate to as far away as Chattanooga and the Blue Ridge, GA/Murphy, NC area in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Georgia and Southwestern North Carolina.

All future rail transit upgrades and expansions will likely be fully funded with large-scale P3's (Public-Private Partnerships) and distance-based fares.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

Excellent MARTA rail transit expansion concepts by fourthwarden!

I think that Gold Line that fourthwarden proposed on his map will eventually be extended from the Gwinnett Place area to the Gwinnett Center complex area (especially seeing as though Gwinnett boosters desperately want rail transit access to the Gwinnett Center complex area) and the Mall of Georgia area.

I also like the proposed Peach lines that fourthwarden drew on his map in Gwinnett County out to Buford (by way of the NS/Southern Railway corridor) and Dacula and in Clayton County down to Lovejoy.

I think that south Peach Line will be extended south to Hampton where it will service the major event center at the Atlanta Motor Speedway.

I think that the proposed Peach-colored line to Buford will likely be extended just a few miles to the north so that there will be a stop for the popular recreation/resort area at Lake Lanier.

I think that the Peach-colored line that is proposed to operate out to Dacula will be upgraded to a state-operated regional high-capacity rail transit line (regional HRT, express/commuter rail) that will operate between the Atlanta Airport and the University of Georgia at Athens (...the famed "Brain Train" line that is proposed to connect the Atlanta University Center, Georgia State University, Georgia Tech, Emory University, Georgia Gwinnett College and the University of Georgia...a line which has the potential to be one of the most-popular rail transit lines in the entire Western Hemisphere).

And I think that all three of the Peach-colored lines that fourthwarden drew on his map will likely all operate as regional Heavy Rail Transit lines (with regional commuter rail service in the form of express HRT trains where applicable).


This is an excellent point.

I agree that there is a good chance that high-capacity passenger rail transit service will eventually be implemented to the Cumberland area.

I also agree that the construction of the new Braves' stadium likely increases the possibility that rail transit service will eventually be implemented to the Cumberland area.

Though, I think if rail transit service is ever to be implemented to the Cumberland area and traditionally transit-averse areas like Cobb and Gwinnett counties, that the State of Georgia is likely going to have to play a major role (if not the lead role) in helping to get rail transit service operating in areas outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties.

Not only do I think that areas like Cumberland (and Cobb County) and Gwinnett County, etc, will eventually receive rail transit service, I think that a line may likely connect Cobb and Gwinnett counties by way of the I-285 Top End Perimeter (by way of Cumberland, Perimeter Center and Doraville).

I think that such an east-west Cobb/Gwinnett/I-285 Top End rail transit corridor will operate between Acworth and Buford and eventually even between Cartersville and Gainesville as a regional Heavy Rail Transit line that potentially also provides regional commuter service in the form of express regional HRT trains.

I also think that such an east-west Cobb/Gwinnett/I-285 Top End rail transit corridor will likely be funded with a large-scale state-commissioned P3 (Public-Private Partnership).

In regards to providing the Cumberland area (and Cobb County) with north-south connectivity to Central Atlanta, I think that the Cumberland area (and Cobb County) may eventually receive TWO (or three) north-south high-capacity passenger rail transit connections to Atlanta, one via I-75 and the US 41 Cobb Parkway corridor and one via the CSX-W&A Railroad/Marietta Blvd/Marietta Street corridor.

I think that, like the probable east-west line, the two potential north-south lines will likely be regional HRT lines that potentially carry regional commuter rail service in the form of express regional HRT trains.

Local regional HRT service will operate on all three potential N-S Cobb HRT corridors between Cartersville and ATL Airport, and between Canton and ATL Airport, while express/regional/interurban train service will operate to as far away as Chattanooga and the Blue Ridge, GA/Murphy, NC area in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Georgia and Southwestern North Carolina.

All future rail transit upgrades and expansions will likely be fully funded with large-scale P3's (Public-Private Partnerships) and distance-based fares.

@B2R

I posted this on another thread, but the discussion fits here as well:

TxDOT moving past the highway, albeit slowly - Houston Chronicle

The system we have got now is not infinitely scalable,” said David Ellis, a senior researcher with the Texas A&M Transportation Institute. “That is not to say we do not need to add all the capacity we can afford to add, because we do. But it is still not enough.”
Ellis and others briefed the Texas Transportation Commission Wednesday following a detailed presentation from the state demographer’s office. Texas is growing rapidly, something a blip in the oil and gas market isn’t likely to slow for long.
Houston, along with every metro area in the state, is experiencing the brunt of that population boom. In many cases metro areas are expanding on the suburban fringe while increasing density in established areas closer to the core.

Tryon Lewis, chairman of the Texas Transportation Commission
Tryon Lewis, chairman of the Texas Transportation Commission

“When you get to certain population density, we have to think about what will transportation look like and what must it look like,” said Tryon Lewis, chairman of the transportation commission and a former state representative from Odessa.