[Igor Blevin]

Poverty is not "solvable". You can install equality, by making everybody equally poor. Socialism is excellent at doing that. Venezuela is the latest nation that went from rich to poor by embracing Socialism. In a capitalistic society, poverty is not solvable. There will always be the dumb, the lazy, the foolish, and the unlucky who wind up poor, relative to the upper and middle classes.

It is not solvable. The sooner you recognize it, the better. Then you can just help the poor, and not try to "fix" them.

Now, the opposite is certainly true.

You can easily manufacture mass poverty. We are doing that with government handouts. By paying millions of people with paltry government handouts that keep them at mere subsidence levels, like squirrels you feed in National Parks, the people become dependent and never learn or have the impetus to learn, how to do for themselves. You then manufacture an ongoing cycle of poverty, generation after generation. That is exactly what paying people endless welfare checks does. It installs systematic, continuous, unbroken dependency.

You can't "fix" poverty, but you can certainly cause it with the asinine government programs we keep failing with.

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Originally Posted by Marc Paolella View Post
Corporations shouldn’t pay any taxes. They provide goods, services, and jobs. That’s enough of a benefit to not be oppressed by taxation.

Originally Posted by Beliciano

This is one of the worst and most foolish comments I have ever read on this forum. This is way this situation of the major corporations taking over and controlling will only get worse!!

If they benefit from any infrastructure paid for by taxpayers... of course they should. However I'd be OK with user fees which is what taxes are. In fact I would prefer that. This way everyone pays.

Taxes should be more like fees... pay for what you need or at least flat tax.

... but I digress, again.

[Marc Paolella]

Originally Posted by Beliciano

This is one of the worst and most foolish comments I have ever read on this forum. This is way this situation of the major corporations taking over and controlling will only get worse!!

Start thinking for yourself please and stop reciting Bernie Sanders talking points. Major corporations make life wonderful and easy by inventing, producing, and delivering innovative goods and services that we decide not to live without. They get big and powerful because we are happy to give them lots of money to produce the next amazing thing. A state of the art Ipad now costs over 2 large. Which I will voluntarily fork over to Apple because it is a magnificent piece of technology. And to do that I have to give fantastic service to my clients so they keep voluntarily giving me nice green dollars for my service. Stop beotching about corporations. They are us. They are people who get together and produce amazing things for us to buy and enjoy. Give me more capitalist corporate greed. It makes my life fantastic while also providing endless jobs and opportunities for quality people to move up and create more marvelous things to use in this very short thing we call life. Collectivists are garbage!

[Marc Paolella]

Originally Posted by Igor Blevin

Poverty is not "solvable". You can install equality, by making everybody equally poor. Socialism is excellent at doing that. Venezuela is the latest nation that went from rich to poor by embracing Socialism. In a capitalistic society, poverty is not solvable. There will always be the dumb, the lazy, the foolish, and the unlucky who wind up poor, relative to the upper and middle classes.

It is not solvable. The sooner you recognize it, the better. Then you can just help the poor, and not try to "fix" them.

Now, the opposite is certainly true.

You can easily manufacture mass poverty. We are doing that with government handouts. By paying millions of people with paltry government handouts that keep them at mere subsidence levels, like squirrels you feed in National Parks, the people become dependent and never learn or have the impetus to learn, how to do for themselves. You then manufacture an ongoing cycle of poverty, generation after generation. That is exactly what paying people endless welfare checks does. It installs systematic, continuous, unbroken dependency.

You can't "fix" poverty, but you can certainly cause it with the asinine government programs we keep failing with.

Thank you. Perfectly stated and described. Giving people endless incentives to do nothing and be nothing. Guess what they are becoming?

[Surge0001]

Originally Posted by Marc Paolella

Start thinking for yourself please and stop reciting Bernie Sanders talking points. Major corporations make life wonderful and easy by inventing, producing, and delivering innovative goods and services that we decide not to live without. They get big and powerful because we are happy to give them lots of money to produce the next amazing thing. A state of the art Ipad now costs over 2 large. Which I will voluntarily fork over to Apple because it is a magnificent piece of technology. And to do that I have to give fantastic service to my clients so they keep voluntarily giving me nice green dollars for my service. Stop beotching about corporations. They are us. They are people who get together and produce amazing things for us to buy and enjoy. Give me more capitalist corporate greed. It makes my life fantastic while also providing endless jobs and opportunities for quality people to move up and create more marvelous things to use in this very short thing we call life. Collectivists are garbage!

Dude what is your malfunction? I have never seen anyone worship corporation before, surely you are just trolling? This is also not relevant to the actual conversation laid out by the OP, you have turned this thread into "corporations vs the poor"

[beach43ofus]

Give small groups of rural families, who would need to qualify, acres of government controlled land to farm, & provide them loans for equipment, based upon performance.

[Marc Paolella]

Originally Posted by Surge0001

Dude what is your malfunction? I have never seen anyone worship corporation before, surely you are just trolling? This is also not relevant to the actual conversation laid out by the OP, you have turned this thread into "corporations vs the poor"

My malfunction is collectivists who proclaim that poor people in Alabama are a “problem” that is my responsibility or duty to solve or care about. Being poor is an individual problem for the person who perceives that their money supply is insufficient. It is up to the individual to solve by making himself more valuable to others. And thereby solving the insufficiency of dollars in the piggy bank.

Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask what you can do FOR YOURSELF.

[Surge0001]

Originally Posted by Marc Paolella

My malfunction is collectivists who proclaim that poor people in Alabama are a “problem” that is my responsibility or duty to solve or care about. Being poor is an individual problem for the person who perceives that their money supply is insufficient. It is up to the individual to solve by making himself more valuable to others. And thereby solving the insufficiency of dollars in the piggy bank.

Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask what you can do FOR YOURSELF.

Again I don't see how this is an actual contribution to the OP. Being poor is not just an individual problem, this is a problem that affects entire communities, communities where half the population is in poverty that has been happening for generations is not an "individuals" problem

[Take a History Class]

I'm not from Alabama though I'd love to visit. Just noticed the thread title on the main page and thought I'd chip in my 2 cents worth. Rural Alabama has much in common with rural Arkansas and rural Oklahoma, which I'm intimately familiar with. Having been in many small towns in those areas, there's always something in their past that made them what they are today, maybe the railroad, maybe an industry that's gone. The people that are left mostly have historic ties to the area, but the economy isn't very dynamic because there are relatively few people that need services.

Conversely, why do people leave small towns and pile into large cities? Because that's where the opportunity is. More people needing services means more jobs and businesses to service them, in a nutshell. It's why you can barely scrape buy waiting tables at a restaurant in Hugo, OK, but might make a pretty decent living if you're waiting tables at a high end restaurant in a major city. Same job, different economy.

I think work-from-home and the revolution brought about by high speed data has great potential to alleviate poverty. If you allow people with high paying jobs to work from anywhere many of them will move out where land is cheaper, schools are safer and the quality of life is better. They'll take their dollars with them and start spending into local economies and demand services which will grow and expand to meet them. I think we would all be better off if the population were spread more evenly across the nation.

[johnsonkk]

Thread has gone sideways. Moved away from Alabama a few pages back. Now the topic is rural vs corporations and urban vs, rural.