[Dave_n_Tenn]

However... rural folks are close to the land and land ownership is vital. Not everyone needs to be a farmer, but land gives people a sense of something of value.

[OldBankhead]

Originally Posted by Marc Paolella

Job opportunities are everywhere. But you have to be willing to move. There is no right to any job and there should be no expectation of jobs being brought to poor rural communities. The jobs are where they are. It is up to the individual to discover them, locate them, and move to where they are.

I don’t see rural poverty as any issue or problem at all. Anyone dissatisfied with their financial status must make a long term plan that includes individual self-improvement to become valuable enough to be worth paying nice green dollars. The location of a poor person is irrelevant. Rural poverty is no more meaningful than island poverty or ice shelf poverty or desert poverty.

Jobs were willfully removed from these areas. Wall Street sold us out and moved everything overseas. Now people can sit back and make pithy comments about it like yours, but at the end of the day it just comes off as arrogance and hatred.

[Marc Paolella]

Originally Posted by AnsleyPark

The human spirit does not work on a formulaic basis. You cannot just tell folks to change and do better. Poverty is soul crushing, spirit crushing. Poverty is not simply the lack of money. It is depression, it is a person who has given up. It is someone who sees no way out. And, it is very meaningful, certainly to those living in it.

I can, and am, telling people to change and do better. And I believe they can and should. And in the final analysis, they HAVE TO. Their life is their own, and if they don’t change it, it will stay exactly as it is. If poverty has such dire consequences, people should stop choosing behaviors that guarantee it. If they don’t, that’s fine, but it’s not anyone else’s problem or responsibility. Actions and behaviors have consequences. Perhaps we need to learn to think more formulaically, since the formulas generally work very well. Here’s the formula, and it’s not rocket science. Stay in school, don’t utilize substances to escape life, don’t do illegal things, and don’t have children out of wedlock and with no money. Then just show up, work hard, and be nice. Couldn’t be simpler really. Poverty will recede into the rear view mirror.

We have to stop expecting nothing from people. Because otherwise we will keep getting just that. There is the tyranny of low expectations. Much adversity is based on poor choices, not poor luck, or systemic this or that.

[Marc Paolella]

Originally Posted by OldBankhead

Jobs were willfully removed from these areas. Wall Street sold us out and moved everything overseas. Now people can sit back and make pithy comments about it like yours, but at the end of the day it just comes off as arrogance and hatred.

Total BS. There are millions of jobs, in fact, they can’t even fill them. McDonald's offering $14/hr for no-skill jobs. Amazon and Walmart doing similar. Can’t find people to drive trucks or unload ships. No, you don’t get to sit in rural Alabama and bemoan no jobs. Get the heck off your buttsky and move to where the jobs are. They exist. Go to where they are and trade your time and talent for nice green dollaronis. Poverty isn’t a thing. Laziness is. There is no “Wall Street” doing this, that, or anything else. That’s fake conspiracies. There are hundreds of thousands of individual companies hiring everywhere. Unemployment? That’s a freakin choice. And so is poverty.

[GreggT]

Originally Posted by Marc Paolella

Total BS. There are millions of jobs, in fact, they can’t even fill them. McDonald's offering $14/hr for no-skill jobs.

Where in Alabama is McDonalds paying $14.00 and hour, more like $9.00 to $10.00, some even less.

[Surge0001]

Originally Posted by Marc Paolella

Total BS. There are millions of jobs, in fact, they can’t even fill them. McDonald's offering $14/hr for no-skill jobs. Amazon and Walmart doing similar. Can’t find people to drive trucks or unload ships. No, you don’t get to sit in rural Alabama and bemoan no jobs. Get the heck off your buttsky and move to where the jobs are. They exist. Go to where they are and trade your time and talent for nice green dollaronis. Poverty isn’t a thing. Laziness is. There is no “Wall Street” doing this, that, or anything else. That’s fake conspiracies. There are hundreds of thousands of individual companies hiring everywhere. Unemployment? That’s a freakin choice. And so is poverty.

Brother, there is not a Mercedes Plant in every one one of these 20k population, 800 Sq miles+, I recommend you read the rest of the thread before continuing

[OldBankhead]

Yeah you're right. Like I said before, every poor person out of work is a 20-30 something pro athlete that can stand over a hot grill all day, or unload a container full of boxes, or drive a truck across country. And...also those Walmart/hamburger jobs totally pay benefits and they totally give you 40hrs a week with set shifts so you can be home to help raise your family. Not 8-5 one day and 2 to close the next and 11-6 after that...

[Marc Paolella]

Originally Posted by Surge0001

Brother, there is not a Mercedes Plant in every one one of these 20k population, 800 Sq+, I recommend you read the rest of the thread before continuing

Find where the jobs are, and go there. You don’t wait for them to come to you, because that doesn’t happen. Leave the rural jobless area and go to the exurbs, suburbs, and cities where the jobs are plentiful. Or just be broke. Pick one.

[Surge0001]

Originally Posted by Marc Paolella

Find where the jobs are, and go there. You don’t wait for them to come to you, because that doesn’t happen. Leave the rural jobless area and go to the exurbs, suburbs, and cities where the jobs are plentiful. Or just be broke. Pick one.

Again READ THE THREAD, that has already been discussed, hell it was even near the beginning

[Marc Paolella]

Originally Posted by OldBankhead

Yeah you're right. Like I said before, every poor person out of work is a 20-30 something pro athlete that can stand over a hot grill all day, or unload a container full of boxes, or drive a truck across country. And...also those Walmart/hamburger jobs totally pay benefits and they totally give you 40hrs a week with set shifts so you can be home to help raise your family. Not 8-5 one day and 2 to close the next and 11-6 after that...

Oh stop the whining. Who in hell ever guaranteed anyone a predictable easy life? No one. People can and should work unpredictable jobs, make themselves better, and try to get promoted to the better jobs with higher pay and more predictability. Until that time? Shut up, struggle, and bring value and improve yourself. Work 2 of those jobs if necessary. And don’t have kids, and don’t booze, and don’t narc, and room with people, and save your money. Tired of all this entitled whoa-is-me nonsense. The raven and the chipmunk and the deer and the fish and the lion, not to mention the bacteria, don’t question having to engage in difficult survival behavior. Only collectivist human whiner-babies do that, even though it doesn’t pay. Unless they can use politics to transform whining into theft.