Law says all new cars must be electric by 2030 (taxi, sales tax)

[BOORGONG]

Originally Posted by rantiquity

Right now EV cost too much for the average citizen...period... and I don't see the prices going down, most likely they will continue to rise.
Now about renewable energy as in windmills and solar....again solar and windmills are not going to cover our energy needs anytime soon. Even environmentalist are against both solar fields and windmills because of the lost of birds to both. Even installing solar on one's house is expensive...I have solar panels on my house at 60K+ dollar cost and probably won't see a cost reduction on my power bill for years and which most people can not afford.
The true answer to clean energy is nuclear and maybe Geothermal....period. People better get on board with those two because the current renewables are not the answer in the near future.
As far as hydro is concerned environmentalist are hard at work to eliminate them. Right here on the Peninsula two power producing damn have been removed with little to no result in reestablishment the salmon runs. All the damn removable did were a lost in recreational areas and lowering the city water supply.

Here is a break down of each:
Hydro electric: 6.3%
Wind 9.2%
Biomass 1.3%
Solar 2.8%
Geothermal .4%
Nuclear 19%
Natural Gas 38%
Coal 22%
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...8e95483e5f6420

It’s a matter of "Don’t touch our damns, (sic) dammit!

[rantiquity]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Yup. Not only that, but in the parts of the West, where the grid is based on hydroelectric, the supply is going to become unreliable, as the climate gets drier. One of the dams in northern CA stopped producing during the drought, because it ran out of water. That's a harbinger of things to come.

A few manufacturers are developing fuel cell cars. People with all-electric cars will have to invest in their own solar power stations, to have reliable recharging capacity. Unless they want to deal with long lines at solar fuel stations, when the electrical grid is down.

What qualifies as an electric vehicle, btw? Will petrol/electric hybrids be discontinued?

What's going to happen to all the gas stations? How is the petroleum industry going to take this?

This will get interesting...

Since so many products use petroleum like the computer you are typing on to your kitchen applicants etc.... I don't see in the now or even in the future petroleum industry going anywhere.

[rodentraiser]

Plastics use oil, so you're right. There's that. Plus there's trucks, ships and planes. Any engine is going to need oil, too.

I'm glad to see so many people echoing my thoughts. I hadn't heard a peep from anyone and I thought I was either missing something or just going crazy.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by rantiquity

Since so many products use petroleum like the computer you are typing on to your kitchen applicants etc.... I don't see in the now or even in the future petroleum industry going anywhere.

Of course. They can always sell to industry. But they were already doing that back in the 50's, when they and the auto industry bought up public transit systems and converted them to gas-guzzling buses on less efficient routes, to push people into car ownership. That tells you, that selling gas to as many citizens as possible is very important to them. How will they make up the loss in revenue, is the question.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by rodentraiser

Plastics use oil, so you're right. There's that. Plus there's trucks, ships and planes. Any engine is going to need oil, too.

I'm glad to see so many people echoing my thoughts. I hadn't heard a peep from anyone and I thought I was either missing something or just going crazy.

Well, what this piece of news tells me, is that I need to buy a car before 2030. I was hoping for a hybrid, but I can't afford to buy new. I sure as heck won't be able to afford an EV, and I'm not confident in them for the reasons given earlier.

[rodentraiser]

Well, as cars get more expensive, it's starting to make more sense to just put $20,000 into the car I have. I could put a whole new engine in it, replace the inside, and have it painted for that much money, maybe even have money left over. And it's still cheaper than getting a new car.

I have the feeling a lot of people will be doing this. By making new cars so expensive I think car manufacturing companies may have just shot themselves in the foot. Why buy new if you can put half that amount into your old car?

[oregonwoodsmoke]

Another example of the voters massed in the big cities that think something will work for them and don't have a clue about what it does to rural areas, nor do they care.


You simply can not deliver 20 tons of hay to market with an electric vehicle.


The people of Spokane have long and frequent power outages, and that won't be helped if 750,000 people suddenly must all charge their electric car because that is the only way to get around. Not to mention that a lot of them won't be able to afford an electric vehicle.


But hey, Washington voted those politicians in so that must be what they want done.

[eqttrdr]

Batteries STORE energy, they don't create energy..




Where/how do they get the energy for the batteries to store?..




Exactly....




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[Taz22]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Well, what this piece of news tells me, is that I need to buy a car before 2030. I was hoping for a hybrid, but I can't afford to buy new. I sure as heck won't be able to afford an EV, and I'm not confident in them for the reasons given earlier.

Agreed, what are you supposed to do if you’re in east Egypt and need a charge? Maybe there’s a station nearby, but probably not. Will they offer portable chargers to keep in your car for emergencies or just let you sit until you can get a tow to a charging station? Or maybe stick close to areas that have charging stations, but that is not appealing for a rural destination.

Living in rural Washington, what are these boys with the huge trucks and jacked up tires going to drive when they need a new vehicle? An EV, methinks not.

Yes, a hybrid is what I’ll drive next. I just don’t trust a car that relies solely on electricity. Current gas prices make a good case for driving a hybrid.

[Arcos]

When making a law that looks forward 8 years, the good news is that it allows for planning and flexibility. Many things will change in the interim.
1) There will now be a target date for infrastructure rollout, leading to more investment for the presumed payoff.
2) Car companies will continue to make less expensive electric vehicles, and invest more in efficiency, leading to improved consumer choice.
3) Permitting and construction of renewable energy in the West, already at a frantic pace, will remain strong and probably be even more streamlined.
4) More conservative states like ID, WY, MT etc. will be incentivized to stop stonewalling in the fight to reduce climate change by basic American greed. The liberal states will simply buy their energy, and politicians will follow that green, as they always do.
5) Even if we get 40% closer to the goals set by this law, all WA need do is push the deadline back by another few years, and the benefits will have already been banked.
All the other practical concerns mentioned thus far are completely true and will likely need a lot of effort. The way the law is currently written fails to take them into account. People will find workarounds such as registering cars out of state, repairing, etc.
6) Hydrogen and natural gas fueled cars may get added to the law.

We will muddle through. This is a law. It’s not set in stone. It will be adjusted.