View Poll Results: High Capacity Magazine Ban
Yes I support the proposed ban.
15 30.61%
No I do not support the proposed ban.
34 69.39%
02-16-2022, 07:12 PM
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Well, they're not wrong with the give an inch warning. The slippery slope of incremental goals is a real strategy.
The National Russian Asset group?
02-16-2022, 07:18 PM
Location: Rochester, WA
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02-16-2022, 08:05 PM
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Maria Butina doesn't ring a bell? Shocking!
02-16-2022, 08:14 PM
Location: Vancouver, WA
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Well, they're not wrong with the give an inch warning. The slippery slope of incremental goals is a real strategy.
The most heated religious debate I ever had with someone 20+ years ago was
not about religion at all. Instead, it was about gun control. The gentlemen I spoke with was a
huge gun lover and NRA guy. It didn't matter what the proposed law was at the time, its content, none of it! All that
really mattered when it came down to it was 'the liberals were trying to take away his 2nd amendment rights, trying to take away guns!!!' It was like talking with a brick wall, but a very animated one! Since, that time, I watched and listened to this same discussion occur time and time again. The content and the topics always revolve around the same things. So, I guess after 20+ years, I've learned a few things. It's never about a new proposed gun law. Rather, its always about an alleged assault on gun owners' right to bear arms. To which there is never a good response unless its pro NRA. Basically, its a circular discussion going nowhere spanning decades of American culture and deep seated beliefs. Liberals are definitely trying to take away their guns and they'll have none it.
This thread could go for a 1000+ more posts and at the end of the day, if folks are truly honest, it's really only about one thing - taking away the right to bear arms from gun owners' POV and nothing more.
Derek
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02-16-2022, 08:17 PM
Location: San Diego
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Wouldn't that apply to all gun laws? I mean why limit guns at all then? If not, what criteria should should make those decisions? The NRA, perhaps? Isn't it everyone's freedom to do what they want to anyway regardless of these stupid gun laws?
Criminals don't care about your laws. Your laws affect legal gun owners, no one else.
There are simple videos on youtube of a Sheriff testing capacity differences between 20, 10 and 5 round mags and the difference between mag changes was less then a couple of seconds. Please explain what would happen in two seconds.
The fear of firearms almost rivals the fear of covid.
It's funny how the people squawking the loudest about firearm laws no ZERO about them. Straight up fear.
02-16-2022, 08:31 PM
Location: San Diego
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Well, they're not wrong with the give an inch warning. The slippery slope of incremental goals is a real strategy.
All politicians have in their playbook is layering duplicate laws upon laws. The part that is disturbing is those eating it up. Here in CA we have an "assault weapons" ban. But we actually don't. The local politicians duplicated a bunch of these laws and idiots believe it was some new thing.
You can't take people's stuff without compensating them. It's unconstitutional. As are all of these stupid laws. That's why they are tied up in the court system and also why they are easy to circumvent.
I can buy any "assault weapon" I want here. I also get to use all my high cap mags I've owned forever. If I want more of them I call a buddy in AZ and he ships them to me. LE doesn't give a rat fart about these stupid laws.
No different in Washington.
02-16-2022, 08:33 PM
Location: San Diego
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What’s the proposed penalty for breaking this proposed law?
Dirty looks
It's up to LE to figure out when you bought them. They can't. There is no date or serial number on a magazine.
Hilarious.
02-16-2022, 08:35 PM
Location: Vancouver, WA
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Criminals don't care about your laws. Your laws affect legal gun owners, no one else.
If it's really that simple, then why would care if there is a limit set? I mean who really cares then? How would that affect you at all in that case?
It's not really about setting limits at all is it if we're being honest, is it? This is really about something entirely different. Otherwise, it wouldn't matter.
Derek
02-16-2022, 08:38 PM
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If it's really that simple, then why would care if there is a limit set? I mean who really cares then? How would that affect you at all in that case?
Politicians run on being elected by talking this smack to people that know nothing about the subject. You should already know this. It's how Obama, Trump and Biden got elected. Selling snake oil.
If I hadn't already bought LEGALLY a bunch of REGULAR capacity magazines I wouldn't care, but me and millions of other law abiding folks already did.
Many magazines are hard to load. It can take a while and when I'm at the range, by the hour, it's a waste of time. None of my firearms have killed anything but deer, elk and hogs.
02-16-2022, 08:45 PM
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Politicians run on being elected by talking this smack to people that know nothing about the subject. You should already know this. It's how Obama, Trump and Biden got elected. Selling snake oil.
So, you're saying they are now trying to limit you? Trying to have you modify what you purchased before that was legal at the time? Is that the issue?
Derek
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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