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Old 05-01-2010, 11:52 AM
 
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No, atheists aren't interested in believing religion and its God.

But religiously brainwashed people always got questions and want to go out and convert. That's why we are here talking about their religion.
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:22 PM
 
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No, atheists aren't interested in believing religion and its God.

But religiously brainwashed people always got questions and want to go out and convert. That's why we are here talking about their religion.
Right on! Not once in my life have I ever heard an atheist or agnostic start a discussion about religion in a group. It's always the bible thumping group which initiates something about faith or religion. Like I said before...I can't even attend a building dedication or a car race without having to listen to one.
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:39 PM
 
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Right on! Not once in my life have I ever heard an atheist or agnostic start a discussion about religion in a group. It's always the bible thumping group which initiates something about faith or religion. Like I said before...I can't even attend a building dedication or a car race without having to listen to one.
Did Vic not start this dicussion?

Umm...
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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Did Vic not start this dicussion?

Umm...
yeah and not just this one but many more and to be honest- nothing positive to be gained
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:03 PM
 
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Did Vic not start this dicussion?

Umm...
Of course I was talking about in public...you know live.

As a matter of fact the Internet and discussion groups like this will represent the beginning of the end for all religion. Parents can keep on brainwashing them when they are infants but with intelligent intercourse occurring 24/7 where folks can use stage names it will not endure. I won't live to see it but the end of all superstitious mythology is coming.
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:04 PM
 
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Which "religion"? There are rather a few of them out there, you know. Since there has always been religion (or at least spirituality, whether organized or not) in societies as far as we can tell (even prehistorically/pre-written records), making a correlation between organized religion and power is like making a correlation between carbon-based bipeds and power. "Oh my god! EVERY war has been started by at least one carbon-based biped!" No kidding, are ya sure?

So you may want to narrow down exactly what you're talking about when you say "religion." I gather you must at least mean organized religion (which is its own "thing" and isn't necessarily basic faith, and does indeed seem to be more of a "power" institution in many cultures than spirituality without organized religion per se). Okay, so if it's organized religion...you're talking about Christianity, then? Because not all religions have a hell, at least not a burning-brimstone one. If it's Christianity, are you speaking of the Catholic church specifically? Because I hear the Inquisition being mentioned.

To spread it out to "religion" being this terrible thing is so broad you practically can't miss. Good if you want to win an argument, bad if you want to be right about your argument.
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:14 PM
 
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Which "religion"? There are rather a few of them out there, you know. Since there has always been religion (or at least spirituality, whether organized or not) in societies as far as we can tell (even prehistorically/pre-written records), making a correlation between organized religion and power is like making a correlation between carbon-based bipeds and power. "Oh my god! EVERY war has been started by at least one carbon-based biped!" No kidding, are ya sure?

So you may want to narrow down exactly what you're talking about when you say "religion." I gather you must at least mean organized religion (which is its own "thing" and isn't necessarily basic faith, and does indeed seem to be more of a "power" institution in many cultures than spirituality without organized religion per se). Okay, so if it's organized religion...you're talking about Christianity, then? Because not all religions have a hell, at least not a burning-brimstone one. If it's Christianity, are you speaking of the Catholic church specifically? Because I hear the Inquisition being mentioned.

To spread it out to "religion" being this terrible thing is so broad you practically can't miss. Good if you want to win an argument, bad if you want to be right about your argument.
Superstition and mythology will not stand. The premise of resurrection or reincarnation is such a load of BS it's days are numbered. Nobody's ever come back from the dead...that's why they call it dead.
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:39 PM
 
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Superstition and mythology will not stand.
Well, that may be true. Or it may not be...We as humans do love mythology. We just do. We're creative that way.

As far as whether an end to superstition will mean the end to any type of spirituality, I don't necessarily know that to be true. Spirituality and organized religion are two different things. I believe we're in an evolution this way (as in all ways) and will eventually come to more intelligent than emotion-driven understanding of spirituality. That's just my personal belief. I think we'll throw off the training wheels and no longer need "organized" religion.

JMO. But myths and stories and tales? They will ALWAYS stand. We love them! We're human. For as long as anyone can tell given the evidence, we've always sat around fires and told stories and loved all of them. Archetypially (ugh, not a word...can't think of the word I'm reaching for right now), they all pretty much do contain some human-nature truths. It's sometimes easier to see an analogy than to pick something apart literally and so stories will always stand...IMO. And we'll always love them.
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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Superstition and mythology will not stand. The premise of resurrection or reincarnation is such a load of BS it's days are numbered. Nobody's ever come back from the dead...that's why they call it dead.
Also...I'm sorry, but although you quoted my post specifically, I don't believe you answered anything that was addressed in it. Did you make a mistake in quoting my post specifically? Or do you have ideas on it?
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:54 PM
 
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Also...I'm sorry, but although you quoted my post specifically, I don't believe you answered anything that was addressed in it. Did you make a mistake in quoting my post specifically? Or do you have ideas on it?
Let it go. I've stated my position on all aspects of faith, religion, beliefs, religious organizations, the ministry, missionaries, religious schools, the brainwashing of infants and small children, free loading southern preachers, those who claim jesus or god or the holy spirit has appeared to them, those who pray, those who pray without fasting or annointing their hair, foot washers, snake handlers, Merry War lye drinkers, miracle workers, rain dancers, offering skimmers, TV evangelists, bare faced liars and Jesus Freaks.

Selah
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